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Severance on 27 February 2010
gurglesletch said:
Wasn't this obvious? Anyway valve has screwed themselves over by releasing the inferior version of the orange box.

they didn't release it EA did, and besides its not a bad port. its just overdramatic internetz , but it offers the signature EA Lagfest online.



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letsdance on 27 February 2010
Twistedpixel said:
letsdance said:
Twistedpixel said:
letsdance said:
Twistedpixel said:
No it wasn't. Do you want me to show you daddies finances?


go ahead. No matter what you show though proves your story accurate. Sony was losing money from the start before valve opened their mouth. Youre just plain wrong.

They were losing money cos like if they didn't the PS3 would have sold fewer than 20M consoles LTD and then Valve would have been like "Still too ugly, get away from me". Epic price drop saved PS3 but cost Sony epic money, its a pretty simple concept really.


Epic price drop? 100 dollars from a 600 dollar console is typical price drop and the only thing that allowed them to do that is epic cost savings. Didn't have anything to do with Valve either. And their first year they sold 8 million. They've been on track with price drops and cost reduction...so how would they have only sold another 12 million in 6 more years? It is a simple concept... so tell me something... I dont understand this... why cant you comprehend it?

Why can't you comprehend that 600 Euro to 400 Euro is a 33% reduction in price 6 months after release. The billions they lost after release is due to them cutting the price too fast. Had the price stayed higher for longer they would not have lost nearly as much money. They haven't had a profitable financial year for over four financial years. That doesn't look to be on track for anything.


Good thing europe =/= ww. Your rhetoric is just spin. Nice try but it doesnt work on me. Sony knew they'd lose millions on top of millions on top of millions. So yes it is on track. Selling a console for 300 - 400 dollar loss at launch makes it pretty logical they knew theyd lose a shit ton of money. It doesnt matter about the price cut. They did do that fast. But if they didn't need to then they also wouldnt have taken out Ps2 BC either. So they balanced each other out... either way price cut or not they still would have lost a lot of money. So yes... it is on track. Its sonys plan not mine.



JerCotter7 on 27 February 2010
Twistedpixel said:
JerCotter7 said:
Twistedpixel said:

Why can't you comprehend that 600 Euro to 400 Euro is a 33% reduction in price 6 months after release. The billions they lost after release is due to them cutting the price too fast. Had the price stayed higher for longer they would not have lost nearly as much money. They haven't had a profitable financial year for over four financial years. That doesn't look to be on track for anything.

It was 600-500 for the dearest console and 500-400 for the cheapest. 100 dollars whatever way you look at it. The PS3 started at 500 dollars for the cheapest model and it is now 300 for the cheapest model. Unless you talk about EU but we never got the 20GB model.

And it's crow no matter what way you try and put it.

No its "We've had our laugh at your expense, come over here sweetie and have sex with me".

They said they don't want it to happen again. Basically saying they were wrong to allow it to happen in the first place. If they didn't care about it they would have said we will try to be different next time. And now your just being really weird. Your argument is going nowhere so you're just posting crap.



hayeya_k on 27 February 2010

Valve 2 years ago: PS3??? WTF ??? We Will never Develop for such a failure
Valve after the release of the slim: Woahhhhhhh ! The thing is picking up some good sales !
Valve Today: Who said it was a failure? Ps3 is the future :)



 

 

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Twistedpixel on 27 February 2010
letsdance said:
Twistedpixel said:

Why can't you comprehend that 600 Euro to 400 Euro is a 33% reduction in price 6 months after release. The billions they lost after release is due to them cutting the price too fast. Had the price stayed higher for longer they would not have lost nearly as much money. They haven't had a profitable financial year for over four financial years. That doesn't look to be on track for anything.


Good thing europe =/= ww. Your rhetoric is just spin. Nice try but it doesnt work on me

???

Rhetoric is the art of using language to persuade. It normally follows three methods of logos, pathos, and ethos, as well as the five canons of memory, invention, delivery, style, and arrangement.



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Twistedpixel on 27 February 2010
JerCotter7 said:
Twistedpixel said:

No its "We've had our laugh at your expense, come over here sweetie and have sex with me".

They said they don't want it to happen again. Basically saying they were wrong to allow it to happen in the first place. If they didn't care about it they would have said we will try to be different next time. And now your just being really weird. Your argument is going nowhere so you're just posting crap.

I doubt they regret it that much. They are just trying to mend bridges now that the PS3 is a viable platform for them to deliver games to.



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letsdance on 27 February 2010
hayeya_k said:
Valve 2 years ago: PS3??? WTF ??? We Will never Develop for such a failure
Valve after the release of the slim: Woahhhhhhh ! The thing is picking up some good sales !
Valve Today: Who said it was a failure? Ps3 is the future :)


pretty much... sounds like crow eating to me



letsdance on 27 February 2010
Twistedpixel said:
JerCotter7 said:
Twistedpixel said:

No its "We've had our laugh at your expense, come over here sweetie and have sex with me".

They said they don't want it to happen again. Basically saying they were wrong to allow it to happen in the first place. If they didn't care about it they would have said we will try to be different next time. And now your just being really weird. Your argument is going nowhere so you're just posting crap.

I doubt they regret it that much. They are just trying to mend bridges now that the PS3 is a viable platform for them to deliver games to.


your persistence doesn't make their crow taste anymore delicious.



Avarice28 on 27 February 2010
Twistedpixel said:
SickleSigh said:
So when Ps3 starts to sell better they would like to develop for the Ps3. Aren't these the same guys that said Sony mest up and should just end Ps3 cycle and start over? Seems like it's not integrity they have. They just didn't see enough money in Ps3 until now.

Well noone at that point in the PS3s life cycle expected Sony to dump 4+ Billion dollars into the console to get it to this point. There was truth in the earlier statements because no one expected Sony to deliberately spend as much money as they have to create better franchises. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it is up to Sony if they want valve in their circle of trust.

I fixed it for you.  Sony has nothing to prove, they have done everything in their power to make playstation fans happy.  Valve on the other had has contributed zero to the fiscal well being of Sony or  to the entertainment of the Sony fanbase.  So if they bring their games over they will have to wait in line for me because I will be playing all the superior exclusives that Sony already has available.



letsdance on 27 February 2010
Twistedpixel said:
letsdance said:
Twistedpixel said:

Why can't you comprehend that 600 Euro to 400 Euro is a 33% reduction in price 6 months after release. The billions they lost after release is due to them cutting the price too fast. Had the price stayed higher for longer they would not have lost nearly as much money. They haven't had a profitable financial year for over four financial years. That doesn't look to be on track for anything.


Good thing europe =/= ww. Your rhetoric is just spin. Nice try but it doesnt work on me

???

Rhetoric is the art of using language to persuade. It normally follows three methods of logos, pathos, and ethos, as well as the five canons of memory, invention, delivery, style, and arrangement.


1 : the art of speaking or writing effectively: as a : the study of principles and rules of composition formulated by critics of ancient times b : the study of writing or speaking as a means of communication or persuasion
2 a : skill in the effective use of speech b : a type or mode of language or speech; also : insincere or grandiloquent language
3 : verbal communication : discourse

use a better d...

wait... why the fuck are you using wiki to define a word?

oh... just more spin spouting from your mouth... move on folks