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Some very interesting comments from the analysts. For some reason Toys R Us is no longer being used for data.

Pachter has always been pretty bullish on the PS3, but there are cracks starting to show. LOL @ Pachter calling out Sony for their fudging the numbers.

It's also interesting that Evan Wilson thinks that Wii, DS and PS2 software are being under tracked.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6183028.html


Earlier this week, industry analysts preemptively awarded the October software sales crown to Activision, thanks in no small part to its rhythm-rocking franchise Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock. That insight proved to be lucent, as evidenced by industry-tracking group NPD's October sales figures, which it released yesterday. However, while Activision's revenues were up 414 percent compared to the same time last year, the industry on the whole performed well below their expectations.

Today, several analysts weighed in on the discrepancy. Analysts agreed across the board that one of the primary contributing factors to October not living up to their expectations was the significant drop in software sales for the PlayStation 2, which were down 29 percent year over year. However, Pacific Crest Securities analyst Evan Wilson sees a logical explanation behind this drop. "This month, NPD did not receive data from Toys R Us for the first time," he noted. "It appears that mass-market titles on the Wii, DS, and PS2 are underrepresented in the data."

Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter believes another contributing factor to lower-than-expected software sales was a preponderance of bundled games for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation Portable. "In the aggregate, these bundles represented over 600,000 units of games that were purchased by consumers and which were not counted in the NPD software numbers for the month because the software was included 'inside the box' as part of the bundle," he said.

"Ratchet & Clank Future sold only 74,500 units in October, well below an already low market expectation of 129,000 units," said simExchange analyst Jesse Divnich. In comparison, Insomniac's PS3 launch title Resistance: Fall of Man sold nearly 71,000 last November, with lifetime-to-date sales at nearly 700,000, according to NPD.

Divnich believes that continued lackluster performances from PS3-exclusive titles are having a negative impact on hardware sales for the Japanese giant. As such, Divnich believes a lot is riding on Naughty Dog's Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. "Sony does have one last chance to prove itself in 2007 with its first-party titles with Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, which the prediction market expects 286,000 units sold in December." Uncharted officially ships out November 19, though some retailers appear to already be stocking the anticipated action adventure.

Pachter, on the other hand, believes that PS3 sales, while "still tracking below our expectations," are in for a strong holiday season riding the recent price drop of the 80GB SKU to $499 and the introduction of the $399 40GB model.

However, Pachter did raise an eyebrow at Sony CEO Howard Stringer's recent ballyhoo over the PS3's uptick in sales. "We are somewhat perplexed by Sony's recent announcement that sales accelerated to 75,000 to 100,000 per week after the price cuts (announced October 18) as it appears that sales increased by a smaller amount," said Pachter. Speaking to financial news service Bloomberg, a Sony representative clarified Stringer's statement, saying the 100,000 figure included PS2 and PS3 sales.

Addressing the Wii's reemergence atop the console leaderboard, Pachter sees October's hardware figures as affirmation that Nintendo has ramped up production of its hot-commodity console. "From January through June, Wii supply averaged 78,000 units per week, and from July through September, the supply increased to 102,000 units per week," he said. "It appears that Nintendo has managed both its production capacity and the allocation of units to the U.S. market so as to allow for a regular increase, and we expect further increases over the next two months."

 



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So the Wii is even more under tracked than we thought?



A lot of analysts have a lot to worry about if/when the Wii becomes dominant; how many publishers payed these 'analysts' for their sales projections and now are scrambling to catch up to the 'unexpected' succes of the Wii and the disapointing sales of the PS3?



HappySqurriel said:
A lot of analysts have a lot to worry about if/when the Wii becomes dominant; how many publishers payed these 'analysts' for their sales projections and now are scrambling to catch up to the 'unexpected' succes of the Wii and the disapointing sales of the PS3?

Eh it's harder to get replaced as an anaylst then it is a senator.  Even if your waaaaay off your likely going to keep your spot. 



Analysts have no code of ethics. They will say or do anything that advances their own agenda. And there is no system in place like Morningstar or S&P that will provide comprehensive ratings.



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Toys R Us is a HUGE Wii market , and DS for that matter, as well which only magnifies the problem.

On the topic of Toys R Us and Wii, and off topic of this thread, I preordered SMG at Toys R Us, got the commemorative coin, AND they gave away 15 dollar gift cards on launch day to people who preordered it. Needless to say I was very pleased.



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Yeah, without Wal-mart and Toys R Us, it's huge swath of retail that is unaccounted for. This should be a lesson for those who think that NPD is all encompassing.



CrashMan said:
Toys R Us is a HUGE Wii market , and DS for that matter, as well which only magnifies the problem.


Check out Bodhesatva's thread.  The Wii is very heavily represented at TRU, especially its software sales.  His store alone will have sold several hundred copies of galaxy by the end of this month.

Also, 3rd party games like GH3 are very heavily represented at TRU.  And, as he pointed out when talking to the MS and Sony representatives, they are each more well represented at different stores than each other (MS = Best Buy, Sony = Walmart, Nintendo = TRU probably). 


 



all right! VGC 1, NPD 0.



the Wii is an epidemic.

FishyJoe said:
Yeah, without Wal-mart and Toys R Us, it's huge swath of retail that is unaccounted for. This should be a lesson for those who think that NPD is all encompassing.

There's a difference between all-ecompassing and more representative.  If anything this casts more doubt on ioi's intentional overtracking of the 360.  If NPD undertracks the 360 and is missing Toys R Us then it is undertracking both which while affecting overall numbers doesn't affect the ratio anywhere near as much.  The PS3 by virtue of terrible sales can be ignored at the moment (due to any over-under tracking not having any major impact on ratios). 

Personally I'd rather have the ratios correct and overall sales a bit low than one system tracked high and the rest low.  Perhaps ioi should get into contact with some people at Nintendo HQ to get "correct" numbers for the Wii and DS so he can start overtracking them 10-30% as well to get the ratios back in line.