but Sony said as of November 21st ......ahhh now I see it. So then add 1,500,000 more units shipped for Q3 and Q4 that puts PS2 at 155.1 million shipped, plus whatever they have now.

What about Q1 2012 (April-June 2012), where did you get those figures?

They may not have the network to do it, remember Sony sells way more than just PS2s. The playstation family will always have that advantage. More consumers to sell to. All Ninty can do is push more in the territories they sell to(which Sony sells to as well).

All that discussion make me remember about something funny I said when PS2 shipped more than Wii, DS and 360 in one quarter last year.

"PS2 is ready for the nexgen confirmed"

It's funny because PS2 is entering into the new generation selling 3 million units per year... how many year to stop/die? 2 years? 3 years? Something like...

FY2012: 3 million?
FY2013: 2 million?
FY2014: 1 million?
FY2015: 500k?

Can PS2 reach 15 years before stop production? I think so.

I think because Sony sells a lot o other products in underdeveloped countries, it's fairly easy for them to sell PS2's there too. Nintendo is a company 1/10th the size of Sony. They simply do not have the same resources to sell consoles in remote regions. The risk of not selling inventory and taking a loss is too high (Sony can more easily redestribute).

Wow so its looking to last as long as the Nes? Except with like 100 million more sales of course.

Well, if Nintendo is selling a larger % of what it ships, does it matter if PS2 is outshipping the DS? I mean in Q1 (Jan-March), PS2 only shipped 600k. How many units did DS sell? DS is at what 1.9 million sold this year. If I assume PS2 shipped 75% as well as it did last year (which I think is a high estimate), that would put PS2 shipments at 2.7m for Jan-Sept (which includes the hard 600k Sony gave for Q1). If I assume it's doing 50% as well (which is very possible based off FYQ4 or Q1 figures), this put PS2 at 1.9 million shipped, or what DS has sold so far.

I think you're an excellent debater, and you have definatly shed some light on this for me, but I think it's still too early to be definintive that the DS won't surpass the PS2.

However it is possible that it won't, although I believe it will. I think for any debate on VGC this is a good conclusion.

i think Nintendo released a console in China like 10 years ago that was a pad you had to plug in to your TV and it had N64 games on it....i dont know how that did, it would be interesting to know (probably sold badly, ass we havent heard anything about it...)

That's the part the number become confuse... Sony merged PS3 and PS2... so they shipped 2.8m.... last year in the same quarter Sony shipped 1.4m PS2 and 1.8m PS3 and Sony said this year the sales of both are down... I don't know if it means units or revenue.

If units then PS3 shipped less than 1.8m putting PS2 over 1.0 million... If revenue then there are no way to split the sales. Looking at VGC shows if PS3 shipped more than 1.8 million then it is way undertracked.

So 1.8 million fits with VGC numbers then PS2 shipped 1m million... @kowen is using 2.0 shipped for PS3 for his tables (800k PS3)... I can agree with 800k PS2 shipped but less than 800k is unrealistic and puts PS3 over 2.1 million in the last quarter almost matching the best Q1 PS3 have in history (the first after Slim launch)  after PS3 not sell like the Slim launch this year... it's down.

DS shipped 540k in the same period and like I said is almost impossible the PS2 shipped less.

I can't find sales figures, but I believe the iQue Player sold okay in the first couple of years on the market (2002-2004) when games were being released for it. China is a tough market, especially due to rampant piracy.

thanx FOX for the info