hunter_alien said:
Demotruk said:
hunter_alien said:
WTF are you talking about? Crisis Core is this generations best selling portable FF game. Hell as far as I know the best selling portable FF game ever. Dissidia UT was basicly a fast re-release, while the real Dissidia will probably clear the 2 million to. MH games sell tons on the PSP, true, but saying that its a MH box is arrogant at best. Games like Phantasy Star sell far better on the PSP then DS,while the long in development PS0 bombed in comparison with what the PSP versions sell. New IPs like God Eater are doing pretty damn well in Japan, and even outside of Japan yearly franchises like FIFA, PES, MADDEN, WWE SvR, NFS all sell far better on the PSP then on the DS. The PSP has a CoD game that did well over a million while the DS versions barely reach the 600k ( yes, I think one of them is even overtracked here, go look on the devs, n-space, website ;)).And all of tehse whitout PSN numbers. And dont forget, there are over 50 million PSN capable PSPs out there, and not just the GOs.
The PSP CAN push software just like the DS. and yes, the DS has plenty bombs to, just like the PSP... maybe thats why Ubisoft stopped publishing all that casual crap on it, beacsue it simply didnt sell...
PS: why do you even compare the sales pattern of the PSP with the ones of the PS2? The PS2 sold FAR better then the PSP, and its also a home console, so your comment is pretty much worthless from that point on.
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What? No it can't, DS software sells vastly more than PSP software. Is that somehow in dispute? Sure, cherry pick some games that did well on PSP and not as well on DS, but the VAST MAJORITY of software sells better on DS.
From the Source's article on 2009:
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Top 20 DS Games of 2009
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Publisher
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2009 Sales
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1
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Pokemon Platinum
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Nintendo
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4.45m
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2
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Dragon Quest IX
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Square-Enix
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4.14m
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3
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Mario Kart DS
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Nintendo
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3.85m
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4
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New Super Mario Bros. DS
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Nintendo
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3.78m
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5
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Pokemon Heart Gold / Soul Silver
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Nintendo
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3.56m
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6
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Professor Layton & The Curious Village
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Nintendo
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2.53m
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7
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Tamodachi Collection
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Nintendo
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2.51m
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8
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Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day
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Nintendo
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2.45m
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9
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Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story
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Nintendo
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2.16m
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10
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Mario & Sonic at Olympic Winter Games
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Sega
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2.09m
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11
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Nintendogs
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Nintendo
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2.03m
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12
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Professor Layton & The Diabolical Box
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Nintendo
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1.91m
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13
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Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days
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Square-Enix
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1.71m
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14
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Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day
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Nintendo
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1.63m
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15
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Club Penguin: Elite Penguin Force
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Disney
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1.59m
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16
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The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks
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Nintendo
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1.53m
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17
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Rhythm Heaven
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Nintendo
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1.26m
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18
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Pokemon Diamond/Pearl
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Nintendo
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1.19m
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19
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Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga
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Lucas Arts
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1.17m
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20
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Super Mario 64 DS
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Nintendo
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1.16m
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Square-Enix came really close to releasing the best selling DS game in 2009. Pokemon Platinum beat Dragon Quest IX by less than 10% to become the top selling DS game of the year. Nonetheless, fifteen of the top twenty DS games in 2009 were made by Nintendo. DS had 11 games top 2m units in 2009, and 16 games top 1.5m units – the most of any platform currently selling. In 2010, at least nine of the games above should top 1,000,000 units again, and almost every game on the list will have a shot at topping 500,000 units once again.
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Top 20 PSP Games of 2009
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Publisher
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2009 Sales
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1
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Monster Hunter Freedom Unite
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Capcom
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1.53m
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2
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Gran Turismo
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Sony
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1.03m
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3
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Dissidia: Final Fantasy
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Square-Enix
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0.97m
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4
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Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters
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Sony
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0.66m
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5
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Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII
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Square-Enix
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0.52m
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6
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Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
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Take Two
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0.52m
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7
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Fifa Soccer 10
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EA
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0.52m
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8
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Phantasy Star Portable 2
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Sega
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0.50m
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9
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Resistance: Retribution
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Sony
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0.49m
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10
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God of War: Chains of Olympus
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Sony
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0.48m
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11
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LittleBigPlanet
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Sony
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0.48m
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12
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Madden NFL 10
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EA
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0.44m
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13
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PES Soccer: Pro Evolution 2009
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Konami
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0.43m
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14
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Dynasty Warriors Strikeforce
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Koei
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0.43m
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15
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Fifa Soccer 09
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EA
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0.42m
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16
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Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories
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Take Two
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0.41m
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17
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Call of Duty: Roads to Victory
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Activision
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0.41m
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18
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Mobile Suit Gundam: Gundam vs. Gundam Next Plus
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Namco-Bandai
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0.37m
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19
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Midnight Club: LA Remix
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Take Two
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0.36m
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20
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Assassin's Creed: Bloodlines
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Ubisoft
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0.36m
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The PSP had a pretty slow year for software, with only eight games topping 500,000 units (against over 50 on X360 and DS) in 2009. Nonetheless, for top titles in Japan, the PSP can still be quite profitable as development costs are low. Still, the top of the PSP market is shrinking rapidly – it’s just about impossible to make a game that will sell over a million units on PSP in a single year. Monster Hunter Freedom Unite, the only PSP game made by a third party to top 1m units in 2009, would fall into the bottom half of the top twenty lists for DS, Wii, PS3 or X360. For publishers like EA and Activision who don’t really have access to the fertile Japanese market, the best sales you can realistically really hope for on PSP is ~500,000 units going by the list above.
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And did you just try to use the fact that shovelware bombed as an argument? Is shovelware *supposed* to sell now?
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I know that my post might offended some, but I was only pointing out that the PSP can sell software, it actually does, its not just a Monster Hunter Box (if the game is the correct one and advertised properly it will do nice numbers  ). Its not really cherry picking either, except maybe CoD... all the other MAJOR yearly franchises never once sold more on the DS then on the PSP. Thats a fact, and these are the games that still hold the PSP in the race ( or at least an important aspect).
Also, shovelware dont need to sell IMO, tough its arguable that it needs to sell for the devs to be bale to make quality games, but the fact is that DS 3rd party support is shrinking, and Ubisoft is not the first to point that out. The sole reason that my vote went to the negative one, is because I trully bealive that qulity 3rd party Wii games simply sell far less then what they should. Why I choose the DS... well its the only handheld in the console war, besides the PSP.
Yes, I do know that the DS is far more successfull then the PSP, but there is plenty of space for both on the market, and the PSP managed to push some serious software numbers even with the rampant piracy and loss of support in the firrst couple of years.
And 2 things that on this site are always forgotten: PSP development cost is low, dev kits are offered for free, and I do bealive that Sony is making some offers for 3rd party devs, otherwise games like Bloodlines wouldent land on the system, and the fact that 54 million PSP owners can log onto the PS store any day and buy a game online, and seeing how many games are sold for mobile phones and the Ipod Touch/Iphone... I have to say, that can be a goldmine for some, and I do bealive that it can make or break the sales for a PSP game.
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