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r505Matt on 15 February 2010
freebs2 said:
r505Matt said:
This is silly. HDTVs are crazy cheap, you don't even need a 1080p. The only situation that this is understandable is if the one complaining is a kid, and he can't really go out and buy his own TV. In that case, he should complain to his parents, not to Bioware. Anyone over 18 that's complaining about this, for shame.

I have 1080p tv and I like mass effect but, this is one of the dumbest comments I've ever seen....

So if you can't afford an HDTV you can't play games? You have to spend 200$ for a console and then you can't play games if don't you pay another 400$ for HDTV just beacuse the developer doesen't make bigger text for SD (a 0 cost task for the developer). No wonder wii sports is the most sold game for this generation if these are the competitors.

The X360 and PS3 are designed for sure to be played on HD but it no one has ever said that they can't be used on standard definition, they are even sold with SD cables...so if you make a game that actually can't be played on SD that's a fraud.

Wow, way to jump to conclusions. Stop being ignorant. If you can't afford an HDTV, how can you afford games? You can buy an HDTV for less than the price of consoles + games these days. Most people would buy a nicer TV before they buy a newer game console. If you choose to get the console instead, your taking a risk that you will be left behind.

It's not 0 cost, it would probably cost them quite a bit to change it at this point. Maybe they chose from the start to not do anything about it. Maybe they didn't even think this would happen. Don't just assume one way or another.

HD consoles are designed with HDTVs in mind. Should a PC game developer make games that work on computers from 10+ years ago? That would be silly. Besides, the game still works on an SDTV right?

Lastly, calling that a fraud is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen here (do you even know what fraud is?). If you stick with older technology, it will become obsolete at some point. Not to mention, I'm surprised people's SDTVs haven't fallen apart yet.

 



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toadslayer72 on 15 February 2010

It seems that there is an immature mindset with some of the posters here. Trying to argue very weak points and not acknowledging some of the solutions just for the sake of arguing. Continuing to say it costs more than $200 to play in HD is bullshit. HD consoles are primarily just that, HD. Sure you can play them on an old shitty CRT but they are meant to be used on an HDTV deal with it and stop acting like a child that doesn't get it's way.



I LOVE paying for Xbox Live! I also love that my love for it pisses off so many people.

Jereel Hunter on 15 February 2010

I had a really old HDTV and I had trouble reading some of the text too... it was readable, but the codex entries that popped up real fast wouldn't give me enough time to account for the slight fuzziness. So I ran out and bought a 50'' Plasma to truely experience ME2...



freebs2 on 15 February 2010

When you buy a PC game there are minimum requirements written on it, so you know if your hardware is obsolete....when you buy an HD console it isn't written on its box messages like "you can have difficult reading text on SD" or else.
Now someone who plays videogames for years is aware of this kind of problems but a less experienced consumer may not. So it's unfair for the developer not implementing easy-readable SD texts or at least a warning for these kind of problems. That's why it can be called a fraud.



Shorty11857 on 15 February 2010

Hey at least the game works, I had to buy a new TV when I got a 360 because my old one didn't run at 60Hz. Not being able to see text that clearly is hardly the end of the world



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dahuman on 15 February 2010
Barozi said:
Metallicube said:
naznatips said:
Metallicube said:
naznatips said:
Metallicube said:
So basically, if you buy a so called "HD console," you should also spend an additional $500+ to buy an HDTV just to achieve the optimal experience on that console. And now they are going one step beyond and punishing the people who chose to stick with the cheaper SD TVs.

THIS is the sort of stubborn mentality that keeps the HD consoles and their supporting developers confined to an ever dwindling niche within gaming.

That "niche" has the same (well, slightly higher) market share as the Wii and even higher software sales. I don't understand where you're going with that ever-dwindling bit either. There's multiple successful markets in the current industry. Stop attacking the one you don't own. It's even moer ironic coming from you when the 3 games in your sig are all part of that same core gaming market you're attacking, and is not part of the expanded Wii audience your post claims to be supporting.

Yet most of the developers pouring resources into the games are draining endless amounts of money.

Whatever, my intention was not to get into a Wii vs HD debate tonight, but my point is that NO game should EVER punish a user for chosing to NOT buy a specific product, particularly when that product is a $500+ HDTV. That is just absurd and really rubs me the wrong way. I just hope this doesnt become a trend. HD games should NEVER penalize SDTV users in ANY WAY. Period.

And before you say it, yes I do own a 360 and a good HDTV, so please dont pull the "dont knock what you dont have" card.

Where are you getting $500+? HDTVs don't get that expensive till you get to 42". Smaller, 22" HDTVs are $200 and less, and a good-sized 32" one is $300, barely more than you and I paid for our Wiis and the same price as an HD console and infinitely more useful than any single game system.

As far as penalizing SDTV users, they aren't even sold anymore. Only massive stores like Walmart have any at all, and even they are down to 2 or 3 max, and by the end of this year even those will be gone. Going even further than that, it doesn't even effect all SDTV users.

I'm not saying everyone should upgrade. I'm saying if you're going to bother coughing up the big money for an HD console you should. Frankly I think my Wii on my HDTV looks better than my 360 does when I plug it into an SDTV. It makes a big difference, and if you're blowing the kind of money the average gamer does per year on games, it's time to play it a little conservative for a few months and upgrade. We're past the point of complaining about this.

IF you bought a console who's entire advertising appeal is based around it being a part of the "HD Generation," join it.

I have nothing against a consumer being rewarded for "upgrading" to an HDTV. What I don't like is the fact that these consumers chosing NOT to upgrade, are actually being PUNSHIED for NOT dishing out an additional $400+ ( let's face it, any HDTV worth gaming on generally costs this much at the very least) ON TOP OF the $300 console they purchased. It is a blatant middle finger to a large portion of the gaming community, and it should not be tolerated. Then people wonder why HD gaming doesn't quite have mainstream appeal.. It costs you a damn arm and a leg for optimal experience.

Put yourself in the consumer's shoes.

If were on a budget and you did not own an HDTV but happened to own a 360, and decided to buy Mass Effect 2, hoping for an excellent game, and instead you get text that is nearly unreadable, how would you feel about that? Personally, I would sell the game, and maybe even my Xbox 360 on principle. Rewarding an HD user is one thing. Penalizing a non HD user is something completely different, and should NEVER happen.

No it's YOUR fault and not the game's or the developer's.

I played Dead Rising on a 11 inch SDTV a few years ago and I know how hard it is to read the text there. But just because my TV is 12 years old I would never blame the developers for it.

I knew the screen is small, I knew I could only play in SD and miss out on many things, so I can't complain.

Windows 7 doesn't run properly on any 4 years old standard PC without upgrades for example. If I would complain about upgrading from Windows 95 to Windows 7 because my rig is not good enough, everybody would laugh at me big time.

 

Win7 runs great on 4 year old PCs =P



Barozi on 15 February 2010
dahuman said:
Barozi said:

No it's YOUR fault and not the game's or the developer's.

I played Dead Rising on a 11 inch SDTV a few years ago and I know how hard it is to read the text there. But just because my TV is 12 years old I would never blame the developers for it.

I knew the screen is small, I knew I could only play in SD and miss out on many things, so I can't complain.

Windows 7 doesn't run properly on any 4 years old standard PC without upgrades for example. If I would complain about upgrading from Windows 95 to Windows 7 because my rig is not good enough, everybody would laugh at me big time.

 

Win7 runs great on 4 year old PCs =P

I have here a PC magazine from November 2005, where a standard PC doesn't have the required DirectX9 GPU, only half the required RAM and barely 1GHz.

The middle class PC doesn't have the required 1GB either. Only the high end PC fulfills all the Windows 7 requirements.

So it doesn't run on a 4 years old standard PC without upgrading anything, but of course it could run on a 4 years old PC.



Metallicube on 15 February 2010

I'm completely baffled by the amount of people that actually SUPPORT developers screwing over SDTV users.. I mean in what way could SD users getting bent over by developers POSSIBLY benefit you people?



loves2splooge on 15 February 2010

HDTV market penetration is still only at 46% in US households but yeah if you looked at households with gaming consoles, especially HD gaming consoles (PS360), I'd imagine that the penetration would be a good bit above the majority. And then take into account PC monitors. My guess is even if EA could fix the issue at a low cost, they're not gonna bother. Mass Effect is probably quite profitable for them as it is.

It is true that a lot of game publishers have lost money going HD but that's because many of them have a habit of investing huge budgets into titles without the revenue potential they need to support those budgets. It's not a SDTV thing. That said, I'm sure that the Dead Rising debacle probably cost Capcom. In early 2006, HDTV market penetration wasnt there to the same extent.



vlad321 on 15 February 2010
Metallicube said:
I'm completely baffled by the amount of people that actually SUPPORT developers screwing over SDTV users.. I mean in what way could SD users getting bent over by developers POSSIBLY benefit you people?

Man, if you switch the topic to DLC, that sentence is also extremely valid. I can't believe the amount of people who will take developer's shit and lap it up and be grateful about it too. This isn't just about SDTV, etc. but about a whole range of topics.



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