demitri55 said: the controller is the soul. the software change and the hardware change over the generations but not the controller design. if the ps1 controller was a piece of sh** during the ps1 life-time the console would of been dismissed by a lot of people or sony would of changed it through the ps2/ps3 cycle. obviosuly those who are complaining are a low percent of the userbase as well as other console owners sony wont cater to because the playstation is not the 360, wii, or the pc. let me also bring up that i owned other consoles and never had a problem going between them. i and others play shooters using the ps3 controller and we dont suck (and we are life-long playstation supporters) the control is design perfectly for shooters so who would sony listen to? the 90% of people who love it or the low 10% who dont? i have no problem going between the d-pad (for skills or other uses) and the left analog stick (for movement) maybe it's just you. frankly it takes more skill on the ps3 than 360 considering 70% cheat on the 360. my brother and others (me sometimes) play fighting games on the ps3 and dont suck and love the controller (some are even saying tekken wont work on the  360 because of the controller change) me, my brothers, and others play rpgs using the ps3 cotroller and we have no problem with it. i love playing racing games using the ps3 controller (i think the playstation controller is the best for racing) so please even though i understand your frustration there's nothing wrong with the controller and dont try to change it to someone elses controller design because the playstation isnt other consoles. P.S by the description you gave by where the buttons should be place you described the Ms xbox 360 controller... THIS IS NOT THE 360 IT'S THE PLAYSTATION

You're not actually making an argument, you're just insisting that the Dualshock is perfect. It isn't. There is room for improvement. This isn't about what Sony will do, it's whether or not they should for the sake of ergonomics. And yes, in terms of ergonomics, they would improve the feel of the controller by putting the primary left-side input method - the thumbstick - in the place where the thumb naturally rests - which is where the D-pad is.

demitri55 said: lvader said: Many Playstation fans are stuck in the dark ages, the current PS3 controller is terrible, but they don't want change. no the button layout, design, and sixaxis seems to work fine for millions of users (90% in another article and 66% here) maybe it's jsut you

So did SD graphics, improvements can always be made.

No I love the controller we have, I don't want another controller, especially one like the 360s. I like the PS3 controlller just the way it is. NO CHANGES

TrevDaRev said: I've heard alot of people saying "It's about time that SONY changed the PlayStation controller" --------- "It's too small for my hands" etc etc     So we've had "roughly" the same controller for 15yrs now, do you think Sony should design a completley new controller for the release of the PlayStation 4 or should they stick with whats served them so very well for so many years now?  To be honest I'm leaning towards the latter, I've never had any problems with the Dualshock controllers, maybe there's a bit of a "Nostalgic" feeling over-shadowing my views, Yes sometimes change is good but on the other hand I feel that "If it isn't broke don't fix it".   Or maybe some of you's would like the "Boomerang" to step up to the plate?

That controller looks terrible..if it ain't broke don't fix it...

Khuutra said: demitri55 said: the controller is the soul. the software change and the hardware change over the generations but not the controller design. if the ps1 controller was a piece of sh** during the ps1 life-time the console would of been dismissed by a lot of people or sony would of changed it through the ps2/ps3 cycle. obviosuly those who are complaining are a low percent of the userbase as well as other console owners sony wont cater to because the playstation is not the 360, wii, or the pc. let me also bring up that i owned other consoles and never had a problem going between them. i and others play shooters using the ps3 controller and we dont suck (and we are life-long playstation supporters) the control is design perfectly for shooters so who would sony listen to? the 90% of people who love it or the low 10% who dont? i have no problem going between the d-pad (for skills or other uses) and the left analog stick (for movement) maybe it's just you. frankly it takes more skill on the ps3 than 360 considering 70% cheat on the 360. my brother and others (me sometimes) play fighting games on the ps3 and dont suck and love the controller (some are even saying tekken wont work on the  360 because of the controller change) me, my brothers, and others play rpgs using the ps3 cotroller and we have no problem with it. i love playing racing games using the ps3 controller (i think the playstation controller is the best for racing) so please even though i understand your frustration there's nothing wrong with the controller and dont try to change it to someone elses controller design because the playstation isnt other consoles. P.S by the description you gave by where the buttons should be place you described the Ms xbox 360 controller... THIS IS NOT THE 360 IT'S THE PLAYSTATION You're not actually making an argument, you're just insisting that the Dualshock is perfect. It isn't. There is room for improvement. This isn't about what Sony will do, it's whether or not they should for the sake of ergonomics. And yes, in terms of ergonomics, they would improve the feel of the controller by putting the primary left-side input method - the thumbstick - in the place where the thumb naturally rests - which is where the D-pad is.

no you arent making an argument. im demonstrating how the controller worked over the times (since i was 6, ps1 till im 21, ps3) from shooters to racing games. you in the other hand are like "teh xbox 360 d-pad iz here and the analog herez" turning the *playstation controller* into the 360's controller

again you seem to be missing the point, so ill make it easier for you. This is not Ms's Xbox 360 or other consoles, it's the "Playstation". the controller layout obviously works for millions of users (90% in another article i read else where, and 66% here). maybe it's not the controller just you. because i can own using the 360 controller, playstation controller, or dreamcast controller, three completely different layouts (dc and 360 arent too different though and thats because MS took the design of the dc controller can you guess why?).

dirkd2323 said: No I love the controller we have, I don't want another controller, especially one like the 360s. I like the PS3 controlller just the way it is. NO CHANGES

agree. i have an xbox 360 i can use the 360 controller for and a ps3 i can use the ps3 controller for (which i love dearly growing up). this isnt the 360 it's the playstation

lvader said: Many Playstation fans are stuck in the dark ages, the current PS3 controller is terrible, but they don't want change.

Its just fine to me...only part that sucks is having to charge it...

demitri55 said: no you arent making argument.

....Just because you see me say a thing doesn't mean that it's necessarily easy to turn around. I am making an argument, which has to do with the specific layout of the controller and how it could be improved because of the way one's hands naturally rest when holding a controller. That's why every input in the industry except for the 360 D-pad and the PS3's left thumbstick is sitting in the same place in relation to the handle: because tha'ts the most comfortable place for it to be. The relative positions of the D-pad and thumstick are a relic of a time when the D-pad was the primary input method. Times have changed and that placement needs to change too.

I don't really think that's a fair characterization of my rgument, firstly because it's not a standard that Microsoft set - it's a standard that Nintendo set on the N64. It has to do with thep lacement of the joystick in relation to your thumb when your hand is holding the grip. Ther'es an optimum position for the joystick to rest in. The dualshock doesn't have it.

To clarify: I use the Dualshock a lot. One of my most-playd games of the last generation was God Hand, which was absurdly control stick intensive. I tend to stay at Level Die in that game. I beat God of War II on Titan Mode. Devil May Cry 3 is my bitch. I am not coming from the perspective of someone who has only used other controllers. I have been using a Dualshock for a long time: the only dfference between us is that I can acknowledge where it needs to be improved.

That doesn't have anything to do with anything, nor does your ability to "own" with any given controller. I don't care about your "owning" abilities! They ae not relevant here! Yes I will agree that one can adapt to the placement of the joysticks on the dualshock, but one should not have to. They could be placed optimally from the beginning, and all would be well with the world.

Again: this is not about your abilities, either to "own" or to adapt to the suboptimal stick placement on the Dualshock. It's also not about what the consumer wants! It's about whether or not the Dualshock could be better. It could be! That is all there is.

Khuutra said: demitri55 said: no you arent making argument. ....Just because you see me say a thing doesn't mean that it's necessarily easy to turn around. I am making an argument, which has to do with the specific layout of the controller and how it could be improved because of the way one's hands naturally rest when holding a controller. That's why every input in the industry except for the 360 D-pad and the PS3's left thumbstick is sitting in the same place in relation to the handle: because tha'ts the most comfortable place for it to be. The relative positions of the D-pad and thumstick are a relic of a time when the D-pad was the primary input method. Times have changed and that placement needs to change too. im demonstrating how the controller worked over the times (since i was 6, ps1 till im 21, ps3) from shooters to racing games. you in the other hand are like "teh xbox 360 d-pad iz here and the analog herez" turning the *playstation controller* into the 360's controller I don't really think that's a fair characterization of my rgument, firstly because it's not a standard that Microsoft set - it's a standard that Nintendo set on the N64. It has to do with thep lacement of the joystick in relation to your thumb when your hand is holding the grip. Ther'es an optimum position for the joystick to rest in. The dualshock doesn't have it. To clarify: I use the Dualshock a lot. One of my most-playd games of the last generation was God Hand, which was absurdly control stick intensive. I tend to stay at Level Die in that game. I beat God of War II on Titan Mode. Devil May Cry 3 is my bitch. I am not coming from the perspective of someone who has only used other controllers. I have been using a Dualshock for a long time: the only dfference between us is that I can acknowledge where it needs to be improved. again you seem to be missing the point, so ill make it easier for you. This is not Ms's Xbox 360 or other consoles, it's the "Playstation". the controller layout obviously works for millions of users (90% in another article i read else where, and 66% here). maybe it's not the controller just you. because i can own using the 360 controller, playstation controller, or dreamcast controller, three completely different layouts. youre That doesn't have anything to do with anything, nor does your ability to "own" with any given controller. I don't care about your "owning" abilities! They ae not relevant here! Yes I will agree that one can adapt to the placement of the joysticks on the dualshock, but one should not have to. They could be placed optimally from the beginning, and all would be well with the world. Again: this is not about your abilities, either to "own" or to adapt to the suboptimal stick placement on the Dualshock. It's also not about what the consumer wants! It's about whether or not the Dualshock could be better. It could be! That is all there is.

again you have no argument and im not going to keep repeating myself. you clearly have no argument and refuse to give up. ill just end this argument with a wall with this.

why would sony change its controller design from 3 different generations (hardware wise) to it competitors? that will make sony look so bad and not only that but be looked at as a bland, un-unique console by many, also a turn-off to those who grew up with the playstation, let along a lost in sony's tradition, its life, its soul. you want a 360 controller design? get a 360 then buddy. the playstation brand has its own controller layout and design that has been working for them since ps1 and is love by 90% of its installbase and im a fine example of it and the 66% to 33% here in vgchartz

If the Sony DA controller was broke just about no one on these boards would notice. A majority of gamers here grew up with PSX and PS2. Which means that all of these gamers became accustomed to the PS controller. That means no one would notice if there was a problem.

So it doesn't matter if it's not or is perfect. No serious Sony fan will want to change. We could break down various controllers pro's and con's. What does what better and worse. I can guarantee that PS DA design would not be at the top of the list, but that would change nothing for the people who have been using it for 10+ years.