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Is EDGE Magasine

Biased towards the XBOX 130 46.26%
 
Biased towards the PS3 35 12.46%
 
Biased towards the Wii 12 4.27%
 
A fair and honest reviewer 104 37.01%
 
Total:281
Reasonable said:
themanwithnoname said:
So what if Edge likes 360 FPS's more than the PS3's. Everyone calls the 360 the shooterbox anyway, because it is indeed generally accepted that it has a greater abundance of awesome shooters. For everyone who's made the statement "for some reason, Edge likes so and so of a game better," go read the reviews and they will tell you exactly why they like X game and they don't like Y game. I find this bickering about it to be pointless when the answer is simply, in their opinion, the 360 games are better than the PS3 ones. Some of you need to stop being so shocked that someone might actually have a different opinion than you.

Technically if you're a professional critic you're not supposed to let personal preferece to intrude to that level.  I agree with you (as you can see from my posts) however I do think that if you want to retain the correct level of professional consistency you must be able to put aside preference to judge the game on its merits vs your preference.

Of course, with videogames the notion of what reviews/criticsm is for is even more mixed and unclear than, say, films, so it's not a surprise.

That's a tricky one, because if you put aside personal preference, you're reviewing a game on its supposed merits, rather than presenting an honest opinion.  If I were to review Modern Warfare 2, I wouldn't give it a high mark just because I can see why other people might like the things I don't.  Admittedly, some people would consider that bad reviewing.  I can see where the personal preference argument would apply to preference of actual consoles, but I find it difficult to understand how grown men/women with access to all machines would have a 'favourite' system anyway, rather than just favourite games.  I might be able to choose the best system when asked for a recommendation, on the basis of how many exclusives I personally like, but once I'm playing a great game I couldn't care less what machine it's on, and I'd imagine any decent videogame journalist is the same.  I'm pretty sure the Edge staff don't go to bed in their Marcus Phoenix/Sackboy/Yoshi jim-jams, under a Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo duvet cuddling a Master Chief/Kratos/Kirby plush - the problem is, a lot of people who read their scores do, and you can't please the internet.



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CyberRazorCut said:
Reasonable said:
themanwithnoname said:
So what if Edge likes 360 FPS's more than the PS3's. Everyone calls the 360 the shooterbox anyway, because it is indeed generally accepted that it has a greater abundance of awesome shooters. For everyone who's made the statement "for some reason, Edge likes so and so of a game better," go read the reviews and they will tell you exactly why they like X game and they don't like Y game. I find this bickering about it to be pointless when the answer is simply, in their opinion, the 360 games are better than the PS3 ones. Some of you need to stop being so shocked that someone might actually have a different opinion than you.

Technically if you're a professional critic you're not supposed to let personal preferece to intrude to that level.  I agree with you (as you can see from my posts) however I do think that if you want to retain the correct level of professional consistency you must be able to put aside preference to judge the game on its merits vs your preference.

Of course, with videogames the notion of what reviews/criticsm is for is even more mixed and unclear than, say, films, so it's not a surprise.

That's a tricky one, because if you put aside personal preference, you're reviewing a game on its supposed merits, rather than presenting an honest opinion.  If I were to review Modern Warfare 2, I wouldn't give it a high mark just because I can see why other people might like the things I don't.  Admittedly, some people would consider that bad reviewing.  I can see where the personal preference argument would apply to preference of actual consoles, but I find it difficult to understand how grown men/women with access to all machines would have a 'favourite' system anyway, rather than just favourite games.  I might be able to choose the best system when asked for a recommendation, on the basis of how many exclusives I personally like, but once I'm playing a great game I couldn't care less what machine it's on, and I'd imagine any decent videogame journalist is the same.  I'm pretty sure the Edge staff don't go to bed in their Marcus Phoenix/Sackboy/Yoshi jim-jams, under a Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo duvet cuddling a Master Chief/Kratos/Kirby plush - the problem is, a lot of people who read their scores do, and you can't please the internet.

It is tricky.  And you're right, half (more?) of the problem is how the reviews are recieved due to the whole 'console wars' mentality.  One apparently low score of a console exclusive and you've got an army of people losing their rag over the score.

Personally, I don't really care, and accept that for various reasons there will sometimes be inconsistentcy in review standards between similar titles, or that some games simply won't happen to resonate with the reviewer as they did with me - and vice versa.  There's plenty of titles with low scores I don't get and plenty with high scores I equally don't get.

But, as in this case, there's clearly a lot of people who are sure EDGE is flat out knowingly biased rather than seeing that, due to their preference in a couple of key cases, mainly around FPS titles, the averages of their scores seem to skew towards 360.

I just don't see how they could have given the low scores they have to certain 360 titles (Gears and ME1 spring to mind - both scores I'd agree with really) and high scores to certain PS3 titles (LBP for example) and really be biased.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

Reasonable said:

 

I just don't see how they could have given the low scores they have to certain 360 titles (Gears and ME1 spring to mind - both scores I'd agree with really) and high scores to certain PS3 titles (LBP for example) and really be biased.

It was all part of their master plan, you see.  When Bill Gates paid them to mark down non-360 games in 2006, to retain some semblance of impartiality they had to choose a handful of pre-determined 360 exclusives to give lower-than-average scores to (etc).

When atypical review scores crop up in Edge that I don't agree with, which they certainly do from time to time (NSMB Wii a 7?), I don't think they're biased, I just think they're wrong.



CyberRazorCut said:
Reasonable said:

 

I just don't see how they could have given the low scores they have to certain 360 titles (Gears and ME1 spring to mind - both scores I'd agree with really) and high scores to certain PS3 titles (LBP for example) and really be biased.

It was all part of their master plan, you see.  When Bill Gates paid them to mark down non-360 games in 2006, to retain some semblance of impartiality they had to choose a handful of pre-determined 360 exclusives to give lower-than-average scores to (etc).

When atypical review scores crop up in Edge that I don't agree with, which they certainly do from time to time (NSMB Wii a 7?), I don't think they're biased, I just think they're wrong.

Gates is so evil.  And cunning, too.



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Catlana said:
heedstone said:
Strategyking92 said:
*suprised*


You already made up your mind, didn't you?
I could tell when "biased toward xbox 360" was the first listed. I guess it's just my fanboy radar..

I made the poll as fair as possible, I'm sure nobody's clicking on "biased toward xbox 360" just because it's first on the list!!!


Yeah, I agree this is a much better post than last time. I also agreed there is a difference in FPS scores. I believe xbox fps stuff is rated higher than the games should be based on the article. All of this discussion made me go to the library and read Edge of all things, lol. I still refuse to subscribe (see Valkyria / Halo Wars / FFX reviews).

 

However, you mentioned system sellers in your last post. What do you define as system sellers? I for example buy a system based on three types of games: rpgs, third person games (tps / tpa), and strategy games. I rarely play fps type games that do not heavily incorporate other elements (aka fps / rpg such as Borderlands). I do believe that some people base their buying habits on fps but I believe that third person (Uncharted / Mass Effect 2 / Gears) atually influence alot more decisions. Your thoughts?

For me a system seller would be a big (often quite hyped) game that you can't play anything like it on your current system.  Halo, Left 4 dead, Mass Effect and Gears for Xbox.  Killzone, uncharted, heavy rain (possibly infamous) and LBP for PS3.  Mario Kart, Wii Fit, Mario Galaxy and NSMBW for wii.  I think that these are the games that would convince me to buy a system (although I bought my PS3 for GT5 - I thought the damn game would be out by now!)

 

Looking at the list though.... I guess if you removed Halo, L4D and Killzone, the scores would even out a bit.   I may have to agree that Edge only shows bias towards Xbox FPS (although I am still a bit pissed off about heavy rain!!).

 

However, that is still a bias towards Xbox, which a multi platform magazine really should never do.  I pissed off mostly due to the fact that I used to hold Edge reviews in very high regard,  their review system is totally crap now and if you can't trust an independent reviewer to review a game fairly, who can you trust?



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mario64 said:
Just to give you the proof Edge is in fact 360 biased, here are the numbers :

Game / Edge rating / Meta (12/02/10) / Difference between Edge and Meta

Main 360 console exclusives :

Fable 2 / 90 / 89 / +1
Forza 2 / 90 / 90 / 0
Forza 3 / 90 / 92 / -2
Gears of War / 80 / 94 / -14
Gears of War 2 / 90 / 93 / -3
Halo 3 / 100 / 94 / +6
Halo 3 ODST / 90 / 83 / +7
Mass Effect / 70 / 91 / -21
Mass Effect 2 / 90 / 96 / -6
Left 4 Dead / 90 / 89 / +1
Left 4 Dead 2 / 90 / 89 / +1

Total (11 games) : -30 points
Average -2.73 / game

Main PS3 exclusives :

MGS4 / 80 / 94 / -14
Ratchet ToD / 80 / 89 / -9
Ratchet ACiT / 70 / 87 / -17
Resistance / 70 / 86 / -16
Resistance 2 / 60 / 87 / -27
Killzone 2 / 70 / 91 / -21
Valkyria Chr. / 70 / 86 / -16
Disgaea 3 / 80 / 78 / +2
Heavy Rain / 70 / 89 / -19
Uncharted / 80 / 88 / -8
Uncharted 2 / 90 / 96 / -6
Demon's Souls / 90 / 89 / +1
LittleBigPlanet / 100 / 95 / +5
Wipeout HD / 80 / 87 / -7
Flower / 70 / 87 / -17
Infamous / 70 / 85 / -15

Total (16 games) : -184 points !!!
Average -11.5 / game

So it's around 10 points difference in AVERAGE between a PS3 exclusive and a PC/360 console exclusive, which is huge and mathematically (statistically) impossible unless they're 360 biased or being 360 fanboys.

The other explanation would be they favor the shooter / FPS genre dominating on 360 (6 on 11 games reviewed), but then again, games like Resistance, Resistance 2, Killzone 2 wouldn't have been rated so much under their Meta then, so this explanation is wrong.

Conclusion : Edge is strongly 360 biased.


very interesting. anyone know how their nintendo reviews compare?



I just think Edge are huge... HUGE... HUUUUUUUGE Halo fanboys, and it shows in their reviews and scoring... strongly, I might add.



Is this the new thing to whine about these days?



N64 is the ONLY console of the fifth generation!!!

When Edge gave a 7 to Mass Effect, Xbox fanboys certainly did not whine and complain like Sony fanboys are with Heavy Rain.