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The main problem of current-gen sonic games is the gameplay.

Sega should make a Adventure 3 game, with cities and all the stuff of 1. They must learn with Nintendo in how to make great franchises.

The worst thing happening now for Sonic is the annual releases. Sega should do 2 main sonic games per gen in the MAX.

The adventure games are good still today. I still play Sonic 1 and 2, but i couldn`t play the new sonic games.



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RoaR said:

HOLiDAY_AETERNUS said:

 1998/1999: Sonic Adventure 1 is released as a launch title on the SEGA DREAMCAST and is met with great financial and critical success, soon becoming the console's best selling game.

 2001: Sonic Adventure 2 is released. Is a critical success as was its predecessor.


And here's your problem. Now, Sonic Adventure games weren't exactly a critical success, actually, but they did get favorable reviews... despite the fact that they were crap. They sold because they were Sonic games, and then people realized how they are nothing like they expected and, in fact, no fun at all. Good reviews only made us not trust reviewers anymore, and when reviewers realized this, they stopped giving the following games overblown scores.
Bias? Maybe. Unfair? Not really. If Sega wants clean slate, they should start a new franchise.

I'll kill you.



RoaR said:

HOLiDAY_AETERNUS said:

 1998/1999: Sonic Adventure 1 is released as a launch title on the SEGA DREAMCAST and is met with great financial and critical success, soon becoming the console's best selling game.

 2001: Sonic Adventure 2 is released. Is a critical success as was its predecessor.


And here's your problem. Now, Sonic Adventure games weren't exactly a critical success.

 http://www.gamespot.com/dreamcast/action/sonicadventure/review.html

 http://dreamcast.ign.com/articles/160/160140p1.html

 http://www.gamespot.com/dreamcast/action/sonicadventure2/review.html

 http://dreamcast.ign.com/articles/164/164855p1.html

 http://www.gamerankings.com/dreamcast/198694-sonic-adventure/index.html

 http://www.gamerankings.com/dreamcast/291597-sonic-adventure-2/index.html

 And everybody liked the games, which is exactly why it sold so many copies. The reviewers of the ports Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut and Sonic Adventure 2: Battle were obviously n00bs.

 My point is that games like Unleash'd were met with huge bias; it was almost like the Adventure Games.
 How were the Werehog levels complain'd about? Beat-em-up games are fun. There have always been gimmicks in Sonic games.

 Sonic Unleash'd was a near Sonic Adventure 3. In 1999/2000 and 2001, many were more tolerable to gimmicks. A Sonic Adventure 3 should be released, completely focused on the highspeed adventure platforming.

 I've always liked the new gameplay styles though. gh



Sonic Unleashed was a awful game. I love Sonic and Sega and as a fan I expect more from them. I don't understand why fans feel its their job to apologize for a series, the opposite should be true. Fans should be the gate keepers, crying out when something they love is starts heading in the wrong direction instead of making excuses for it. Sonic fans keep buying these terrible games and they are the ones ruining the franchise not the critics. Well Team Sonic is the real problem but the fans who buy this watered down crap aren't helping. I always hope the next Sonic game will be a return to glory and maybe going 2d will help but at this point I have low expectations.



 Unleash'd was SPOCIOUS. People who don't like are n00bs that never lik'd 3D Sonic, thus meaning that they never will, so they should just leave the franchise because nobody likes n00bs.

 gh

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Spagoodle said:
Sonic Unleashed was a awful game. I love Sonic and Sega and as a fan I expect more from them. I don't understand why fans feel its their job to apologize for a series, the opposite should be true. Fans should be the gate keepers, crying out when something they love is starts heading in the wrong direction instead of making excuses for it. Sonic fans keep buying these terrible games and they are the ones ruining the franchise not the critics. Well Team Sonic is the real problem but the fans who buy this watered down crap aren't helping. I always hope the next Sonic game will be a return to glory and maybe going 2d will help but at this point I have low expectations.

Unleashed wasn't great but quite playable and fun at times.



HOLiDAY_AETERNUS said:

 Unleash'd was SPOCIOUS. People who don't like are n00bs that never lik'd 3D Sonic, thus meaning that they never will, so they should just leave the franchise because nobody likes n00bs.

 gh

 gh

Hard to take you seriously when you're arguement is to call people who disagree with you noobs. I was a huge fan of Sonic Adventure games. I didn't like unleashed because out side of the decent daytime levels, which is like 30% of the game, it was garbage. A crappy beat em up and then fetch quests just what I want in a Sonic game. Game was bad, a slap in the face for Sonic fans.



disolitude said:
Spagoodle said:
Sonic Unleashed was a awful game. I love Sonic and Sega and as a fan I expect more from them. I don't understand why fans feel its their job to apologize for a series, the opposite should be true. Fans should be the gate keepers, crying out when something they love is starts heading in the wrong direction instead of making excuses for it. Sonic fans keep buying these terrible games and they are the ones ruining the franchise not the critics. Well Team Sonic is the real problem but the fans who buy this watered down crap aren't helping. I always hope the next Sonic game will be a return to glory and maybe going 2d will help but at this point I have low expectations.

Unleashed wasn't great but quite playable and fun at times.

Agreed. The day times levels while not the best were enjoyable. I just want more from Sonic then 30% of a good game.



 While in the Adventure Games, the speed levels took up more of the gameplay than the game, and in Unleash'd, the gimmicks took up more of the game and were ultimately harder, they were still similar games.



richardhutnik said:
amp316 said:
The problem is that they are met with unfair bias.

Look. You're so biased against Sonic that you didn't even mention Sonic and the Black Knight.

Seriously though, there is some truth to what Majin says. It seems as though Sega feels that they have to have a gimmick in order to sell their game. Sonic Unleashed was great except for the horrible Werehog levels which were in over half of the game and in Sonic and the Black Knight they felt the need to give him a sword. Now I am as big a Sonic fan as any and did enjoy those two games, but they would have been much better if the gimmicks didn't exist.

Mario does stuff like this, and it isn't as much of an issue at all.  Ok, it isn't done to the same extent as you have with Sonic, but still Mario goes all over and does sports and also adds new play mechics and so on.  It is entirely possible with Sonic that Sonic's character isn't one you can add a bunch of stuff to.  Sonic is a fairly simple character with speed as the main attraction.  Have him do more and it turns people off.

Yes, there are Mario Sports games and party games and things like that, but the actual series usually just implements new mechanics and not over the top gimmicks.  The only Mario game that I can think of that really strayed from the norm is Mario Sunshine, with FLUDD, and we know how well that was received.  My point is that I don't think fans would really care that much if a new move or two was introduced in each Sonic game, but when each game plays completely different altogether and the only common factors are the speed and ring collecting, it sometimes doesn't feel like the same franchise at all.  I the major problem recently with the Sonic series is that people want more of a familiarity with how it plays.     



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