@Mendicate Bias

I never said Halo was a bad game and I never said Halo wasn't popular, even on the PC (as the PC version came out years after the Halo hype train had left the station). My only statement is that Halo wasn't as "revolutionary" as people think.

It added 4 player co-op (that's cool if it is true) to FPSs, the ability to play 4 player split screen and online on the same machine(good to have both things together) and some gameplay elements that people like and other people (like me) dislike.

My previous statement of being "awesome" on the X-Box to most people while being "meh" to most PC users was a little over the top, I agree and is completely 100% based on a small sample size of me and all of my PC gaming friends. Sure it was better than the Duke Nukems and Rise of the Triads out there, but I would say there were plenty of FPSs better than it (which, if you note in your defense that Halo made the top 20 PC games of all time, there were 3 other FPSs immediately higher than Halo in that list).

So, to reiterate, my point is, the only thing Halo really revolutionized for FPSs is that it was popular (mainly because it was on the xbox). If it had been PC only we wouldn't be having the conversation IMO.

I commend Halo for being a good FPS on a console and helping make FPSs the current "kings" of software but it is by no means "revolutionary" to me.

Thats fine and I respect your opinion. I still argue that Halo shaped the landscape for fps this decade. How much influence it had is debatable but thank you for wording your argument in a reasonable manner. Also if you look at the Edge list its not listing the top games based off quality but off revenue as I was simply making the argument that Halo was also a financial success on PC's.

@freebs2

My first sediments with Tomb Raider was this, if a game has puzzles in it then it's a rip off. That's what I was hearing from you, if the combat was similar, has climbing, etc. it was only a copy and nothing more.

The reason why Uncharted 2 is on this list stems from a variety of reasons. Story, cinematic feel, game play, characterization, set pieces, and technical prowess. U2 differentiates itself as a mega contender on all parts. It wraps itself in a cascade of greatness and is in many ways able to transcend that of being only a video game. Or at least that was my initial impression upon completion... the people at IGN must've felt the same way.

Can't really see the part about how Gears and Uncharted are similar. Seemed to be quite different experiences.

@Mendicate Bias

Ah, I quickly read through the list, didn't know it was revenue based. Diablo II more than WoW? Wow, that surprises me (though I love Diablo II, I can't count the number of hours I've sunk on that game).

Anyway, we'll agree to disagree on Halo, but I can agree with you that you are correct that it has shaped FPSs this decade. So, I guess I'll say this: Halo has been very good to the genre and helped break it into the "more" mainstream (I'll argue it was pretty mainstream before that just not console mainstream due to lack of dual analog sticks).

Kind of lame that the IGN list is just the GOTY for the different years, but I guess that depends on how the list was defined, I thought it was defined as "best games of the decade", how foolish of me.

PC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Xbox 360 PS3 and Wii combined

and if you looked at the site you posted with the top 100, Half-Life 2 is higher the Halo.

If you looked at the list you would see it is revenue based not quality based.

Based off you answer I can easily say thank you, you have proven my point very well. That is all.

Why? because I've played FPS games since the first game of the genre Wolfenstein 3D was first released? because I've been playing video games, including classic shooters, since the c64 and Apple II?

Frankly PS2 > PS3 + 360 + Wii. And N64, NES, and SNES all top the PS2. PC will always be top rung on platforms and games. There are a ton of developers, both big and small, that are looking to innovate and create new experiences in different genres. Its also the longest living platform.

In the end you WILL NOT convince me that Halo added anything to the genre because I've play many games of its before its time that outclass it in everyway. There is nothing definitively special about Halo.

Tribes, Unreal, Battlefield, Half-Life, Doom, Deus Ex, etc all are in a higher class of games that Halo will never reach. Its called have world class developers behind them. Bungie is not a world class developer like Valve, Dice, ID Software, Raven Software, Epic Games, GearBox, or Ritual, and probably never will be.

Im sick of arguing with you because your blinded by fanboyism of your favorite console. Its ok. Maybe you should actually take a look at learning about video game history and judge the fact that 4 player co-op and the many other featuires your trying to defend comes from other genres and platforms. They are not new concepts.

I think one of the reasons Uncharted 2 gets all the props it does is "believability". I've never played an Uncharted game but I can kind of see the merit. I've never seen a game with a more believable cast. Its like the characters really exist. Sureits graphics helped show this but I think that is the core element behind Uncharted 2's praise. I could be wrong, but this is what I think is the case is.

It's pretty sad that I haven't played any of the games on that list. My bro has the orange box on 360. I watched him play Half-life 2 for a bi...IDK what the hype is about. Same goes for SoTC. IDK wahts so great about Fallout either and the voice acting in okami irritated my ears. I dont get the list at all.

Were it not for Okami, I would actually agree with an IGN list!!

Were the same age, don't act like you've been playing games for 30 plus years. Also trust me just by reading your posts it's pretty clear who the fanboy in this argument is. This is not an argument about opinion this is a factual argument about innovation. I listed Halo's innovations yet you failed to list a single one from half-life. You've closed your mind shut so tight you won't even admit that Bungie is a good developer and you actually think the PC is better than all current gen consoles combined, now tell me that doesn't sound like fanboyism.

Its ok though, if you want to continue to pretend like the real world doesn't exist then go on ahead, who am I to stop you. Just don't spout your elitism like its the truth and expect me to take it laying down.