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Strategyking92 said:
More like I ignored the majority of your post because they are subjective opinions. Sorry to break it to you, but those just don't cut it. [not just my opinion, the games really have technical problems with the gameplay] Sure, the iPhone OS will not have many food fighting games [will not have many good fighting games? The Iphone OS won't have at least ONE good fighting game because it's impossible thanks to the lack of physical controls. How can you make "C" or simple moves like "shoryuken" without physical buttons?], and other games that support the control style [so it's limited to some genres, which is a big problem]. But deva just have to work around that niche genre. Some genres will and some don't, just like the other portables. [The PSP and the DS has every popular genre to satisfy any taste]

And console DD services still have no place in this arguement. Seriously, I don't remember Sony and nintendo releasing their bite sized game services well until after iPhone launched. [if they ALREADY worked with Digital Distribution before, why wouldn't they implement it in their handhelds? Also:

-The PSOne Classics was launched on May 3, 2007 for the PSP and the App Store opened on 2008. I think you know what the "PSOne Classics" has to offer, right? Digital Distribution.

-The PSN was launched on 2008 for the PSP (same year of the App Store), so there is no way they could have time to build something based on what the Iphone has, they simply based it on what they had for the PS3

-The DSi was launched on 2008 (same year of the App Store), so there is no way they could have time to build a portable with cameras based on what the Iphone has and launch it in the same year.]

 

.And..... Wait a sec..... Last I checked both the psp and ds didn't have many good fps's [The DS has: 3 great and normal COD games with good gameplay, Dementium 1 and 2, Moon and Metroid Prime Hunters. The PSP has a decent COD game with good controls and 2 decent Medal Of Honor games. The Iphone has nothing good with good gameplay to offer in this genre thanks to the lack of physical controls] .... And the ds had very few fighting games... [The DS has 2 great Bleach games (with good gameplay, specials etc), a Guilty Gear game, Ultimate Mortal Kombat (which is a remake, but with extras and wifi, it's like the definitive version of the game), Custom Robo Arena (which is a great game, you will customize your own robo and you can fight against your friends via wifi), Jump Ultimate Stars (for fans of animes because it has 300 characters of 40 anime/manga). And again, the Iphone has nothing good to offer in this genre] Does that mean they suck as a game device? [This means that you need more time with your handhelds and maybe some research] No.
Like I said before, I'm not even saying the device is perfect for anything. The no buttons thing really does hurt. Like I said though, when people already have the device in their pockets as a phone or multimedia device, it's not so hard to see traditional portables threatened. Convienience. Convienience. [So... here the gaming experience is the second option for these people and the "phone"/"multimedia device" aspects comes first. If you really want to play games on the go and this aspect is your first option, you will choose a traditional handheld because they have any genre and big first party support with known games and franchises]

Obviously other companies are seeing the potential, or else we wouldn't have these little iPhone bash fests everytime a thread like this comes out. [I am not bashing the Iphone, I think it's a incredible device. Don't be so defensive just because you like your device. I am giving you arguments and if you can't deal with it, just forget about this discussion] In the end, the normal consumer might care if his favorite type of game doesn't work as well as he'd hope, but it's not like all of those people will go buy another portable device solely devoted to games.
Portables aren't going anywhere though. But make no mistake, some people will choose iPhone as a source of gaming. [Yeah, if you want simple games, no diversity, lack of some popular genres and no physical buttons, you will probably go to the Iphone. If you want a true gaming experience with any kind of genre you will choose a traditional handheld]

 



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Hisiru said:

Strategyking92 said:

 

.And..... Wait a sec..... Last I checked both the psp and ds didn't have many good fps's [The DS has: 3 great and normal COD games with good gameplay, Dementium 1 and 2, Moon and Metroid Prime Hunters. The PSP has a decent COD game with good controls and 2 decent Medal Of Honor games. The Iphone has nothing good with good gameplay to offer in this genre thanks to the lack of physical controls] .... And the ds had very few fighting games... [The DS has 2 great Bleach games (with good gameplay, specials etc), a Guilty Gear game, Ultimate Mortal Kombat (which is a remake, but with extras and wifi, it's like the definitive version of the game), Custom Robo Arena (which is a great game, you will customize your own robo and you can fight against your friends via wifi), Jump Ultimate Stars (for fans of animes because it has 300 characters of 40 anime/manga). And again, the Iphone has nothing good to offer in this genre]

 

But those mechanics don't work well! I've played them personally blah blah blah! Controls! Blah!

Guess who I'm immitating!.. Okay i'll just tell you: you.

The arguement just doesn't work because it's your opinion. It's like me saying whatever games I don't like everyone else must not like.



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

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Strategyking92 said:
Hisiru said:

Strategyking92 said:

 

.And..... Wait a sec..... Last I checked both the psp and ds didn't have many good fps's [The DS has: 3 great and normal COD games with good gameplay, Dementium 1 and 2, Moon and Metroid Prime Hunters. The PSP has a decent COD game with good controls and 2 decent Medal Of Honor games. The Iphone has nothing good with good gameplay to offer in this genre thanks to the lack of physical controls] .... And the ds had very few fighting games... [The DS has 2 great Bleach games (with good gameplay, specials etc), a Guilty Gear game, Ultimate Mortal Kombat (which is a remake, but with extras and wifi, it's like the definitive version of the game), Custom Robo Arena (which is a great game, you will customize your own robo and you can fight against your friends via wifi), Jump Ultimate Stars (for fans of animes because it has 300 characters of 40 anime/manga). And again, the Iphone has nothing good to offer in this genre]

 

But those mechanics don't work well! I've played them personally blah blah blah! Controls! Blah!

Guess who I'm immitating!.. Okay i'll just tell you: you.

The arguement just doesn't work because it's your opinion. It's like me saying whatever games I don't like everyone else must not like.

No, the gameplay for those DS and PSP games actually works well, not just in my opinion: The psp games works just like a FPS game on the snes and nobody complained about it before. The DS games works similar to a mouse, how can it be bad if it's suited to a FPS?

Now you are trying to use good controls (good for any kind of genre) and saying that they are bad, so you can say "See? It's just your opinion". Sorry but this is sad and unfair in a discussion, can't you just admit it? You don't have more arguments (you even ignored a lot of arguments again), you are just trying to defend one of your favourite systems and this kind of feeling shouldn't be brought to a serious discussion.



The Iphone expands the handheld market, not consumes it.



Hisiru said:
Strategyking92 said:
Hisiru said:

Strategyking92 said:

 

 

But those mechanics don't work well! I've played them personally blah blah blah! Controls! Blah!

Guess who I'm immitating!.. Okay i'll just tell you: you.

The arguement just doesn't work because it's your opinion. It's like me saying whatever games I don't like everyone else must not like.

No, the gameplay for those DS and PSP games actually works well, not just in my opinion: The psp games works just like a FPS game on the snes and nobody complained about it before. The DS games works similar to a mouse, how can it be bad if it's suited to a FPS?

Now you are trying to use good controls (good for any kind of genre) and saying that they are bad, so you can say "See? It's just your opinion". Sorry but this is sad and unfair in a discussion, can't you just admit it? You don't have more arguments (you even ignored a lot of arguments again), you are just trying to defend one of your favourite systems and this kind of feeling shouldn't be brought to a serious discussion.

I ignored your arguements, just like this one, because it's like talking to a brick wall... In circles. I will not go over a same subject more than twice.

opinions = opinions. You you just view yours as superior to anyone elses though. I can easily say the psp does not have one good fps (which I believe) on it, and it would be just as valid as you saying it does. That can go with almost all of the arguements you brought forth, because you weren't arguing what was, but what you think.

 



And that's the only thing I need is *this*. I don't need this or this. Just this PS4... And this gaming PC. - The PS4 and the Gaming PC and that's all I need... And this Xbox 360. - The PS4, the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360, and that's all I need... And these PS3's. - The PS4, and these PS3's, and the Gaming PC, and the Xbox 360... And this Nintendo DS. - The PS4, this Xbox 360, and the Gaming PC, and the PS3's, and that's all *I* need. And that's *all* I need too. I don't need one other thing, not one... I need this. - The Gaming PC and PS4, and Xbox 360, and thePS3's . Well what are you looking at? What do you think I'm some kind of a jerk or something! - And this. That's all I need.

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Strategyking92 said:
Hisiru said:
Strategyking92 said:
Hisiru said:

Strategyking92 said:

 

 

But those mechanics don't work well! I've played them personally blah blah blah! Controls! Blah!

Guess who I'm immitating!.. Okay i'll just tell you: you.

The arguement just doesn't work because it's your opinion. It's like me saying whatever games I don't like everyone else must not like.

No, the gameplay for those DS and PSP games actually works well, not just in my opinion: The psp games works just like a FPS game on the snes and nobody complained about it before. The DS games works similar to a mouse, how can it be bad if it's suited to a FPS?

Now you are trying to use good controls (good for any kind of genre) and saying that they are bad, so you can say "See? It's just your opinion". Sorry but this is sad and unfair in a discussion, can't you just admit it? You don't have more arguments (you even ignored a lot of arguments again), you are just trying to defend one of your favourite systems and this kind of feeling shouldn't be brought to a serious discussion.

I ignored your arguements, just like this one, because it's like talking to a brick wall... In circles. I will not go over a same subject more than twice.

opinions = opinions. You you just view yours as superior to anyone elses though. I can easily say the psp does not have one good fps (which I believe) on it, and it would be just as valid as you saying it does. That can go with almost all of the arguements you brought forth, because you weren't arguing what was, but what you think.

 

Not arguments, right? Time to talk about what you ignored, if it's just my opinion you will be able to show me that I am wrong in every sentence bellow:

1)"The psp games works just like a FPS game on the snes and nobody complained about it before. The DS games works similar to a mouse, how can it be bad if it's suited to a FPS?" [Just a note: If the FPS genre began with the same controls of the COD game on the PSP, how can it be bad? You can ask for a better control like Mouse + K (just like you can ask for a wheel to play a racing game instead of a joystick) but say that it's bad? A little contradictory, don't you think?]

2)"If they ALREADY worked with Digital Distribution before, why wouldn't they implement it in their handhelds? Also:

-The PSOne Classics was launched on May 3, 2007 for the PSP and the App Store opened on 2008. I think you know what the "PSOne Classics" has to offer, right? Digital Distribution.

-The PSN was launched on 2008 for the PSP (same year of the App Store), so there is no way they could have time to build something based on what the Iphone has, they simply based it on what they had for the PS3

-The DSi was launched on 2008 (same year of the App Store), so there is no way they could have time to build a portable with cameras based on what the Iphone has and launch it in the same year."

3)"So... here the gaming experience is the second option for these people and the "phone"/"multimedia device" aspects comes first. If you really want to play games on the go and this aspect is your first option, you will choose a traditional handheld because they have any genre and big first party support with known games and franchises"

4)"If you want simple games, no diversity, lack of some popular genres and no physical buttons, you will probably go to the Iphone. If you want a true gaming experience with any kind of genre you will choose a traditional handheld"

5)"The PSP and the DS has every popular genre to satisfy any taste"

6)"will not have many good fighting games? The Iphone OS won't have at least ONE good fighting game because it's impossible thanks to the lack of physical controls. How can you make "C" or simple moves like "shoryuken" without physical buttons?"

7)"so it's limited to some genres, which is a big problem" (talking about the Iphone)

 

 

If you can't show me that I am wrong in one of the senteces above that's because I am not just using my opinion.



The IPhone could never kill the handheld market, and as of right now it is mainly a fad.

The only way it's going to stick around is if it gets some real quality control, similar to the NES seal of quality.



it needs more quality games



NiKKoM said:
No but with games like GTA china town wars, Assassins Creed II, Broken Sword, Brothers in Arms 2, Need for Speed Shift, NOVA, Secret of Monkey Island SE and more for less then 9.99$ it's becoming a serious alternative... and i'm thinking that Sony and Nintendo are looking at how the Appstore works..

^This!

I got my Itouch 32gb last week and have already had way more fun on it than I ever did on my PSP or DSi, theres apps for everything and the games although loads of rubbish ones there are also some fantastic ones and all much much cheaper than psp or ds prices.

The motion controls in the iphont/touch work superbly, racing games for example are a joy to play using tilt.

 

I'm very impressed with the Iphone/Touch as a gaming device so far and am amazed at how many games are being released for it. the fingerprints are another story though lol

 



Xoj said:
arsenicazure said:
If they launch a sortof frame add game pad on for the iphone.. YES.

The iphone is atleast as powerful as the DC was..kinda.. so it has enough power. the screen is great too. Its not as gr8 as the zune or some other OLED's out there, but its an 8/10 easily.

So its a cool, device-decent-ish battery life, good screen, powerful hardware and it has a gr8 digital distribution backbone model..

Now all they need to do is launch it either with buttons( which they wont) or an add-on gamepad.

If Apple were to do that.

Then gamers would "jump in" :) until then.. its not a serious threat to SONY or ninty.

As for the Ipad, its gonna sell bucketloads probably but would be the worst thing that happened-
especially to e-readers. Welcome to the world of extreme eyestain,dark circles, poor battery life and overpriced books.

if that happens i believe apple can make a toilet called iToilet snap a lcd 4', and sell it 500$ and people would buy it.

 

Probably. Don't we already buy iphones that run too hot- enough to discolour the shell, or imac's with broken screens, dyfunctional LCD's, mediocre sounding ipod range with the worst headphones to ever grace a "premium priced" product or grossly overpriced laptops...

Hell I think steve jobs could sell his own amazing,magical, wonderful, pretty amazing, bigger, incredible, best, revolutionary,extraordinary, phenomenal, simple ,gorgeous,very nice, super high quality, remarkable, awesome poop for a couple of thousand! :)



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owner of : atari 2600, commodore 64, NES,gameboy,atari lynx, genesis, saturn,neogeo,DC,PS2,GC,X360, Wii

5 THINGS I'd like to see before i knock out:

a. a AAA 3D sonic title

b. a nintendo developed game that has a "M rating"

c. redesgined PS controller

d. SEGA back in the console business

e. M$ out of the OS business