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GodOfWar_3ever on 07 February 2010
selnor said:
GodOfWar_3ever said:
selnor said:
Kenoid said:
Fable, anyone? and yes, heavy Rain will newly define RPGs.


What? Heavy Rain has no character creation, choices that are made are linear choices. Can you be bad, and then the next person be affected because he knows your bad? Can you choose how you react to someones elses choices? Character design is a must in an RPG. So no Heavy Rain is a QTE adventure game.

Uh...no.

You have choices in those QTEs and Qtes are only in action sequences...


If you read the op, choices aren't the only defining part of the original tabletop RPG.

And dont get offended by QTE adventure game. I'm sure Heavy Rain is a great experience. But RPG? no.

Could have sworn you were taking a jab at HR....did you edit your post or something ? lol



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selnor on 07 February 2010
XxXProphecyXxX said:
LOL I have 5 RPG that I have enjoyed far more than mass effect

1.fallout 3
2.Demon souls
3.Dragon Age
4.KOTOR
5.Oblivion


I'm not talking about enjoyment. This isnt a comparison of what you enjoy more. It's about what the roots of an RPG actually are.

I suppose if people dont play the original RPG, its hard to see what an RPG actually is.

The thread was NOT designed to compare quality of one game over another. But how much of computer games have missed the mark of an RPG.



selnor on 07 February 2010
Munkeh111 said:
selnor said:
Munkeh111 said:
Not really, it is a great game, but its advances are in story telling rather than RPGs. And Alan Wake and Heavy Rain might have it covered there....


Really?

ME has lots of choices that affect 3 games. Entirely different playthroughs. RPG's need creation of characters to. I'd hardly call Alan Wake and RPG. OR Heavy Rain. You arent designing your character and the way people react to you. It's predetermined choices. Not different choices depending on where your characters allegiance lies.

Yeah, they're not RPGs, I agree, and they are different storytelling experiences. HR and AW you are following a story, and certainly in HR, you do get choices, but it is true that you are not really crafting a story. ME 2 you are creating your own Shepherd, but that doesn't mean it tells a story better

Pleae understand this thread wasn't designed to say that other games arent more or less enjoyable. It's purely designed to see the roots of RPG's, and how close alot of computer do or dont come close to that.



dobby985 on 07 February 2010
ps3_jrpg_gamer said:
i have played Mass Effect 2 on PC and i can tell you that Demon 's Soul is better

Yeah whatever dude. He who thinks the mouse + keyboard suck now owns a PC capable of playing Mass Effect 2. And why compare it to Demons Souls? They are to completley different games. Nobody who played the game would make such a comparison. I'm calling you out.



Munkeh111 on 07 February 2010
selnor said:
Munkeh111 said:
selnor said:
Munkeh111 said:
Not really, it is a great game, but its advances are in story telling rather than RPGs. And Alan Wake and Heavy Rain might have it covered there....


Really?

ME has lots of choices that affect 3 games. Entirely different playthroughs. RPG's need creation of characters to. I'd hardly call Alan Wake and RPG. OR Heavy Rain. You arent designing your character and the way people react to you. It's predetermined choices. Not different choices depending on where your characters allegiance lies.

Yeah, they're not RPGs, I agree, and they are different storytelling experiences. HR and AW you are following a story, and certainly in HR, you do get choices, but it is true that you are not really crafting a story. ME 2 you are creating your own Shepherd, but that doesn't mean it tells a story better

Pleae understand this thread wasn't designed to say that other games arent more or less enjoyable. It's purely designed to see the roots of RPG's, and how close alot of computer do or dont come close to that.

I'm saying nothing about enjoyability. I am saying ME 2 excels the most in storytelling, not its RPG aspects. When I told a friend, who is an RPG fan and working his way through ME 1, that there is no XP for killing enemies, he was outraged, a proper RPG should have that. The RPG elements are lacking in some respect, though I do really apprieciate the improved inventory



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darthdevidem01 on 07 February 2010

Depends what you mean by RPG

for me the best RPG is FF6 for tis compelling story, characters, music & fun combat.

EDIT: and RPG's weren't in nowhere land



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selnor on 07 February 2010
Munkeh111 said:
selnor said:
Munkeh111 said:
selnor said:
Munkeh111 said:
Not really, it is a great game, but its advances are in story telling rather than RPGs. And Alan Wake and Heavy Rain might have it covered there....


Really?

ME has lots of choices that affect 3 games. Entirely different playthroughs. RPG's need creation of characters to. I'd hardly call Alan Wake and RPG. OR Heavy Rain. You arent designing your character and the way people react to you. It's predetermined choices. Not different choices depending on where your characters allegiance lies.

Yeah, they're not RPGs, I agree, and they are different storytelling experiences. HR and AW you are following a story, and certainly in HR, you do get choices, but it is true that you are not really crafting a story. ME 2 you are creating your own Shepherd, but that doesn't mean it tells a story better

Pleae understand this thread wasn't designed to say that other games arent more or less enjoyable. It's purely designed to see the roots of RPG's, and how close alot of computer do or dont come close to that.

I'm saying nothing about enjoyability. I am saying ME 2 excels the most in storytelling, not its RPG aspects. When I told a friend, who is an RPG fan and working his way through ME 1, that there is no XP for killing enemies, he was outraged, a proper RPG should have that. The RPG elements are lacking in some respect, though I do really apprieciate the improved inventory

See to me, thats a shift to what an RPG should concentrate on. We only have experience in tabletop RPG's because we need visual reference on paper. ME2 has it, but we dont see it. It works behind the scenes. Thats the way computers should deal with it. We dont need endless amounts of info when the computer can deal with it for us.



Munkeh111 on 07 February 2010
selnor said:
Munkeh111 said:
selnor said:

Pleae understand this thread wasn't designed to say that other games arent more or less enjoyable. It's purely designed to see the roots of RPG's, and how close alot of computer do or dont come close to that.

I'm saying nothing about enjoyability. I am saying ME 2 excels the most in storytelling, not its RPG aspects. When I told a friend, who is an RPG fan and working his way through ME 1, that there is no XP for killing enemies, he was outraged, a proper RPG should have that. The RPG elements are lacking in some respect, though I do really apprieciate the improved inventory

See to me, thats a shift to what an RPG should concentrate on. We only have experience in tabletop RPG's because we need visual reference on paper. ME2 has it, but we dont see it. It works behind the scenes. Thats the way computers should deal with it. We dont need endless amounts of info when the computer can deal with it for us.

No, the XP does not work behind the scenes, it is pre-determined, for any mission type. It means that any side-mission gives you the same xp, ignroing how big that mission is, which is a little annoying for me. But I don't think its RPG elements are deficient, I just don't think they are anything particularly special, they are not really anything above most other RPGs



Kamal on 07 February 2010

Nice to see you enjoyed Mass effect 2 so much.

Anyway should I just get 2 without playing the first? How would the story pan out that way?



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Munkeh111 on 07 February 2010
Kamal said:
Nice to see you enjoyed Mass effect 2 so much.

Anyway should I just get 2 without playing the first? How would the story pan out that way?

There isn't a huge effect from ME1 beyond the bonuses you get from the start. It is mostly just a few lines of dialogue here and there and a few minor side missions. Playing ME 1 will make ME 2 slightly more enjoyable, but it will still be a fantastic game