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naznatips said:

Zoroark is meant to be special too. Like Lucario, he has a special story behind him, even if he isn't legendary, and is getting a whole movie made about him.

Sure, but as I said before, I just think his style is very different from the original style. And he may be special (even if he's a "natural" pokemon), but going by the previous couple of gens, not fitting as well seems like a trend. I'm not the only one who thinks this, but I'm sure many disagree. Again, there's a bit of subjectivity involved.

But anyway, I don't see this as a deal breaker or anything, it just doesn't quite feel right to me.



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Farmageddon said:
naznatips said:

Zoroark is meant to be special too. Like Lucario, he has a special story behind him, even if he isn't legendary, and is getting a whole movie made about him.

Sure, but as I said before, I just think his style is very different from the original style. And he may be special (even if he's a "natural" pokemon), but going by the previous couple of gens, not fitting as well seems like a trend. I'm not the only one who thinks this, but I'm sure many disagree. Again, there's a bit of subjectivity involved.

But anyway, I don't see this as a deal breaker or anything, it just doesn't quite feel right to me.

People seem to forget some ugly Pokemon of the first generations, does this feel right to you?

Or this?

It's just nostalgia that clouds your judgement for each new generation of Pokemon, get over it people. My sole problem with the last one is that there are too many evolutions of previous generation Pokes and too many legendaries. Crappy ones too.



routsounmanman said:

People seem to forget some ugly Pokemon of the first generations, does this feel right to you?

Or this?

It's just nostalgia that clouds your judgement for each new generation of Pokemon, get over it people. My sole problem with the last one is that there are too many evolutions of previous generation Pokes and too many legendaries. Crappy ones too.

It's not really about being ugly, but still, I never said every pokemon from first gen was perfect (actually commented about Jynx :P) or that every pokemon after the second gen was hideous. I just think there's a trend of a change in their style, and I felt the original ones had a more cohese look to them.



routsounmanman said:
Farmageddon said:
naznatips said:

Zoroark is meant to be special too. Like Lucario, he has a special story behind him, even if he isn't legendary, and is getting a whole movie made about him.

Sure, but as I said before, I just think his style is very different from the original style. And he may be special (even if he's a "natural" pokemon), but going by the previous couple of gens, not fitting as well seems like a trend. I'm not the only one who thinks this, but I'm sure many disagree. Again, there's a bit of subjectivity involved.

But anyway, I don't see this as a deal breaker or anything, it just doesn't quite feel right to me.

It's just nostalgia that clouds your judgement for each new generation of Pokemon, get over it people. My sole problem with the last one is that there are too many evolutions of previous generation Pokes and too many legendaries. Crappy ones too.

Yeah, I don't use legendaries either so I was sad to see so many of the roster taken up by them. On the other hand some of the evolutions made some really cool pokemon viable, like Mamoswine and Gallade. Actually DP is the best balanced Pokemon has ever been, by far. People forget how fucked up the balance was in Gens 1 and 2. You know out of the first 150 more than 50 were normal, water, and poison? Gen 2 did nothing to correct this, and it wasn't until Gen 3 that they even really tried to balance classes, and not till Gen 4 that there was anything close to real balance. Even now there are some really weak classes like fire, who's only really good pokemon are starters and legendaries, and which is rare in general.



naznatips said:
routsounmanman said:
Farmageddon said:
naznatips said:

Zoroark is meant to be special too. Like Lucario, he has a special story behind him, even if he isn't legendary, and is getting a whole movie made about him.

Sure, but as I said before, I just think his style is very different from the original style. And he may be special (even if he's a "natural" pokemon), but going by the previous couple of gens, not fitting as well seems like a trend. I'm not the only one who thinks this, but I'm sure many disagree. Again, there's a bit of subjectivity involved.

But anyway, I don't see this as a deal breaker or anything, it just doesn't quite feel right to me.

It's just nostalgia that clouds your judgement for each new generation of Pokemon, get over it people. My sole problem with the last one is that there are too many evolutions of previous generation Pokes and too many legendaries. Crappy ones too.

Yeah, I don't use legendaries either so I was sad to see so many of the roster taken up by them. On the other hand some of the evolutions made some really cool pokemon viable, like Mamoswine and Gallade. Actually DP is the best balanced Pokemon has ever been, by far. People forget how fucked up the balance was in Gens 1 and 2. You know out of the first 150 more than 50 were normal, water, and poison? Gen 2 did nothing to correct this, and it wasn't until Gen 3 that they even really tried to balance classes, and not till Gen 4 that there was anything close to real balance. Even now there are some really weak classes like fire, who's only really good pokemon are starters and legendaries, and which is rare in general.

Forget or never knew? Less than 10% of the population can tell what major difference 3rd generation made when attacks were split between Physical and Special. Most people couldn't even tell the difference between 1st and 2nd gen when Sp. Def was effectively introduced. Everyone seems to just look at the designs of the new Pokemon, beat the game (which is criminally easy for obvious reasons), and think they're the very best >_>

PS: Just ask someone who plays regularly Pokemon what STAB is, just for laughs.



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Yeah, Diamond/Pearl was when I finally came into the battling scene (as opposed to earlier gens where I just played it, beat it... and then used some sort of cheat to boost my rare candy count. ) and there were a lot of great changes made during generation IV, the most important (to me at least) was how attacks and special attacks are no longer based on type (this helps out Dark Pokemon so much. ). Plus, it was great to see evolutions of previous gen Pokemon so that they weren't obsolete anymore (yay for Honchkrow!).

All in all, Diamond/Pearl made some great steps for the series (and their Pokemon designs weren't as bad as Ruby/Sapphire's ). Hopefully gen V continues this. ^_^



routsounmanman said:
naznatips said:
routsounmanman said:
Farmageddon said:
naznatips said:

Zoroark is meant to be special too. Like Lucario, he has a special story behind him, even if he isn't legendary, and is getting a whole movie made about him.

Sure, but as I said before, I just think his style is very different from the original style. And he may be special (even if he's a "natural" pokemon), but going by the previous couple of gens, not fitting as well seems like a trend. I'm not the only one who thinks this, but I'm sure many disagree. Again, there's a bit of subjectivity involved.

But anyway, I don't see this as a deal breaker or anything, it just doesn't quite feel right to me.

It's just nostalgia that clouds your judgement for each new generation of Pokemon, get over it people. My sole problem with the last one is that there are too many evolutions of previous generation Pokes and too many legendaries. Crappy ones too.

Yeah, I don't use legendaries either so I was sad to see so many of the roster taken up by them. On the other hand some of the evolutions made some really cool pokemon viable, like Mamoswine and Gallade. Actually DP is the best balanced Pokemon has ever been, by far. People forget how fucked up the balance was in Gens 1 and 2. You know out of the first 150 more than 50 were normal, water, and poison? Gen 2 did nothing to correct this, and it wasn't until Gen 3 that they even really tried to balance classes, and not till Gen 4 that there was anything close to real balance. Even now there are some really weak classes like fire, who's only really good pokemon are starters and legendaries, and which is rare in general.

Forget or never knew? Less than 10% of the population can tell what major difference 3rd generation made when attacks were split between Physical and Special. Most people couldn't even tell the difference between 1st and 2nd gen when Sp. Def was effectively introduced. Everyone seems to just look at the designs of the new Pokemon, beat the game (which is criminally easy for obvious reasons), and think they're the very best >_>

PS: Just ask someone who plays regularly Pokemon what STAB is, just for laughs.

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routsounmanman said:
naznatips said:

Yeah, I don't use legendaries either so I was sad to see so many of the roster taken up by them. On the other hand some of the evolutions made some really cool pokemon viable, like Mamoswine and Gallade. Actually DP is the best balanced Pokemon has ever been, by far. People forget how fucked up the balance was in Gens 1 and 2. You know out of the first 150 more than 50 were normal, water, and poison? Gen 2 did nothing to correct this, and it wasn't until Gen 3 that they even really tried to balance classes, and not till Gen 4 that there was anything close to real balance. Even now there are some really weak classes like fire, who's only really good pokemon are starters and legendaries, and which is rare in general.

Forget or never knew? Less than 10% of the population can tell what major difference 3rd generation made when attacks were split between Physical and Special. Most people couldn't even tell the difference between 1st and 2nd gen when Sp. Def was effectively introduced. Everyone seems to just look at the designs of the new Pokemon, beat the game (which is criminally easy for obvious reasons), and think they're the very best >_>

PS: Just ask someone who plays regularly Pokemon what STAB is, just for laughs.

Indeed, though the special/physical split was 4th gen, not 3rd. 3rd gen added abilities, which I admit is the weakest of all the formula tweaks. I could never ever go back to before the special/physical split. That was such a massively important change. I refuse to play the old Pokemon games anymore.



naznatips said:

Indeed, though the special/physical split was 4th gen, not 3rd. 3rd gen added abilities, which I admit is the weakest of all the formula tweaks. I could never ever go back to before the special/physical split. That was such a massively important change. I refuse to play the old Pokemon games anymore.

Mhm... It was almost a joke at how the majority of Dark Pokemon (a "Special" type) were defined by their high attack stat. Pissed me off.

But with Diamond/Pearl... no more!



Dark types are not my type of pokemon, but it does look good!



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