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highwaystar101 said:
Alterego-X said:
highwaystar101 said:
CommunistHater said:
"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13). "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24). Notice that the latter Bible verses lump in homosexuality with bestiality.

OBEY!

So because the Bible says that gay sex and bestiality are the same, then that is the reason to not be gay?

How about if I say that homosexuality and bestiality are *not* morally the same and that the Bible is wrong on this one? I'm sorry, but this is 2000 year old reasoning, and it shows I'm afraid.

I don't that the two being mentioned in the same chapter means anything, the Leviticus was written over a long timespan, not in chronological order. You can often find totally random laws written after each other.  

 

BTW, now that I'm thinking about it, why not? How is either bestiality, or homosexuality morally worse than the other one? 

Humans can understand and give consent, Show me how an animal can both understand what you are doing to it and give consent, and I will repeal that argument...

To be honest that is one reason out of dozens.

Animals aren't required to give consent for being butchered, and eaten by you, either. How is sex worse?



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nightsurge said:
Alterego-X said:
Obviously, they have all right to do that, they give charity when and to whoever they want.

On the other hand, it's not really Christian behavior, even if they consider gay sex a sin.
Jesus says:
-"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

They re doing exactly the opposite, like the Pharisees: " OMG! We are so holy and righteous! We won't even talk to the common sinners, we have nothing to do with them!"

Well put.  This is why I have nothing wrong with gay individuals, even though I am a very strong Christian.  I can't stand Catholics either.... they are the worst example when it comes to Christian behavior and beliefs because they literally make so much stuff up.  Like purgatory, confession to a Priest, etc. etc.

I feel that obviously any church can react however they want to this type of law, as there should always be separation of church and state, but true Christian churches would not turn away anyone in need.

Who the hell cares if you think they make it up? Yes "Damn the Catholics, they make their beliefs up!" That has nothing to do with the way Catholics act and you using it to disparage an entire sect of Christianity is nothing short of stupidity. Can't say I'm shocked as everybody loves to bash Catholics into the ground, but that is a load of crap. Yay for generalizations!



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It's their prerogative...why all the hate. It's not like they legally have to be charitable.



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Yes but it is hypocritical considering the theology they preach.



FaRmLaNd said:
Yes but it is hypocritical considering the theology they preach.

Yes, but it is still their perogative. 



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I really hope they don't follow through with this. Because the bill WILL pass sooner or later...



Alterego-X said:
highwaystar101 said:
Alterego-X said:
highwaystar101 said:
CommunistHater said:
"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13). "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24). Notice that the latter Bible verses lump in homosexuality with bestiality.

OBEY!

So because the Bible says that gay sex and bestiality are the same, then that is the reason to not be gay?

How about if I say that homosexuality and bestiality are *not* morally the same and that the Bible is wrong on this one? I'm sorry, but this is 2000 year old reasoning, and it shows I'm afraid.

I don't that the two being mentioned in the same chapter means anything, the Leviticus was written over a long timespan, not in chronological order. You can often find totally random laws written after each other.  

 

BTW, now that I'm thinking about it, why not? How is either bestiality, or homosexuality morally worse than the other one? 

Humans can understand and give consent, Show me how an animal can both understand what you are doing to it and give consent, and I will repeal that argument...

To be honest that is one reason out of dozens.

Animals aren't required to give consent for being butchered, and eaten by you, either. How is sex worse?

lol are you saying your okay with beastiality? I'd rather eat a cow then fuck it.



liSnesboy said:
FaRmLaNd said:
Question to the Christians here. Would the act of witholding charity for political reasons be considered a sin?

I certainly hope so...

Yes.

 

It's also morally questionable, which is why I disagree with this move.

But the Catholic church considers hiring/giving benefits (and so forth) a sin as well, so they're not in a very good situation.  Somewhat appropriately, they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. 



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I say good riddance. People like helping people. If Catholic gay-hating charities disappear, non-Catholic Queer-friendly charities will replace them. I think Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have donated billions each to charity, and they're not Catholic, and they're definitely not going to stop helping people if we pass a law they don't like.



Chairman-Mao said:
Alterego-X said:
highwaystar101 said:
Alterego-X said:
highwaystar101 said:
CommunistHater said:
"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination." (Leviticus 20:13). "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you." (Leviticus 18:22-24). Notice that the latter Bible verses lump in homosexuality with bestiality.

OBEY!

So because the Bible says that gay sex and bestiality are the same, then that is the reason to not be gay?

How about if I say that homosexuality and bestiality are *not* morally the same and that the Bible is wrong on this one? I'm sorry, but this is 2000 year old reasoning, and it shows I'm afraid.

I don't that the two being mentioned in the same chapter means anything, the Leviticus was written over a long timespan, not in chronological order. You can often find totally random laws written after each other.  

 

BTW, now that I'm thinking about it, why not? How is either bestiality, or homosexuality morally worse than the other one? 

Humans can understand and give consent, Show me how an animal can both understand what you are doing to it and give consent, and I will repeal that argument...

To be honest that is one reason out of dozens.

Animals aren't required to give consent for being butchered, and eaten by you, either. How is sex worse?

lol are you saying you're okay with beastiality? I'd rather eat a cow than fuck it.