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KylieDog said:
In fact i would probably settle for just being able to play the handheld games through my Wii on my TV, like the original Pokemon Stadium let you do. You could play it at three times the speed also.

You can play all the GB, GBC, GBA and GC Pokemon games on a TV with just a GameCube that has GameBoy Player.  And if you have a Wii, you can pretty much play the rest that way.



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This is what I've wanted for ages, but ever time a console pokemon game comes out, it's just a spin off....Frankly I don't see Nintendo ever doing it, it'll be to much work, cost to much to make, when there more content with working on cheap, easy to make games that sell millions like Wii sports 2, or the newly released Wii music.

We can all dream though of a proper Pokemon RPG on cnosoles.



In the first place, a game in which they include unique models for all of the nearly 500 Pokemon would be almost prohibitively huge and expensive. I cannot even begin to imagine - that is, unless you want them to look like N64 models.

Secondly, Pokemon's pacing and appeal has a very large and important segment of it invested in its portability. A pick-up-and-play sort of game where you can play for a few minutes and quit would invariably be slowed down by taking it into 3-D (and Diamond and Pearl were slow enough to begin with), the social aspect of easily trading with friends in a group regardless of the ability to connect to the internet, the fact that the system on which Pokemon is played is supposed to be portable, that it's supposed to encourage people to interact with other people...

No, it wouldn't work. It would break the spirit of the game in too many ways which have nothing to do with the competitive metagame and everything to do with what the game is conceptually about.



Khuutra said:
In the first place, a game in which they include unique models for all of the nearly 500 Pokemon would be almost prohibitively huge and expensive. I cannot even begin to imagine - that is, unless you want them to look like N64 models.

Secondly, Pokemon's pacing and appeal has a very large and important segment of it invested in its portability. A pick-up-and-play sort of game where you can play for a few minutes and quit would invariably be slowed down by taking it into 3-D (and Diamond and Pearl were slow enough to begin with), the social aspect of easily trading with friends in a group regardless of the ability to connect to the internet, the fact that the system on which Pokemon is played is supposed to be portable, that it's supposed to encourage people to interact with other people...

No, it wouldn't work. It would break the spirit of the game in too many ways which have nothing to do with the competitive metagame and everything to do with what the game is conceptually about.

Why are people continually forgetting Pokemon Battle Revolution on Wii? Which contained unique models for all 493 Pokemon... more if you include alternate forms like Unown and Burmy.

 



Gameboy86 said:

Why are people continually forgetting Pokemon Battle Revolution on Wii? Which contained unique models for all 493 Pokemon... more if you include alternate forms like Unown and Burmy.

 

Because it wasn't a good game.  Full of bugs and overall, a broken game missing key aspects of the main Pokemon battle Engine that were fully exploitable.  If you are going to have a glorified Pokemon Arena Battling Simulator, it shoudn't be geared towards certain moves and Legendaries.  And even after they tried to fix it with a 'update', people still found ways around it.

But in mentioning to the main point you guys were talking about, eventhough Battle Revolution made a game with every Pokemon in 3D, they still weren't anything special.  In comparison to the graphical power of the system and the models of the day, the Pokemon found in Pokemon Stadium are still the best we have seen from a '3D Arena' Pokemon game.  Both the Pokemon for Colloseum and Battle Revolution looked downright horrible for the time they came out, as well as the game engine being monumentally slow (10 minute battles) and having the faults I named above.

On the whole, Pokemon Battle Revolution displayed the underlying problem Nintendo faces with making a 3D Pokemon game in the future.  Having to render nearly 500 Pokemon into 3D Models into an original game engine and world each time is just too monumental a task.  They need to establish a side Console Pokemon Adventure/RPG series that they can recycle the models and past game environments to, but continue to add content to each new sequel/update.  These Battle Arena games won't cut it anymore, in Quality or for us.



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Pokemon is such a big franchise, Nintendo could easily get away with a MMORPG of the game where you have to pay monthly. It's simply the biggest cash cow Nintendo have, they should exploit it.

Pokemon Platinum has sold 2 million just in Japan, will easily do 6M WW and it's just Diamond with a few changes. I really do not understand what Nintendo are doing here, Sony and MS would be making an MMORPG as we speak if they owned the franchise.

Easy money, easy millions. BTW how much is the Pokemon franchise worth? Maybe I am overestimating the franchise too much but last I heard it was a billion. Not hard to believe though, all those TV shows, games, pokemon cards etc.



 

hmm i dont see why not at some stage during this generation, Nintendo finally has a great selling console and proper Pokemon RPG on the Wii could become the biggest game this generation, and another game that would see monstrous sales, and damage the opponents.

Of course it would cost a lot, and take a lot of effort, but it will easily make nice profit with sales around 10-15 milion minimum, imagine it with good online and you have a game of generation.

Nintendo could do it, and make it epic, but do they want to?



But a MMORPG could affect the sales of the portable version of the game, and needed to be realesed for PC too, non-PC MMORPG usually don't do well. But you could say "IT's Pokemon!", remember FFXI, It's a FF and was the worst sales of the franchise.



cuz it ain't pocket anymore... just kiddin



 

*note: I haven't read any other posts in this thread yet*

I say make it a full scale MMO with the ability to download data via Wi-Fi to the DS. I'd buy it!! But if I could think of that, odds are that Nintendo thought of it 15 years ago. Maybe they're saving it for when Wii/DS sales start to sink. Maybe that's the Killer App (as much as I hate that term) for their next hardware platforms........