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DarkD said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Not really. Public healthcare is definitely a higher standard than no healthcare. And for those that pay to use private healthcare... well you could still do that! The existence of a public healthcare system doesn't mean you have to use it. You can still pay more for private healthcare and get a better standard if you want to/can afford to.

It would probably make private healthcare cheaper too. One of the side effects of having cheaper (albeit lower quality) competition rather than the alternative just being death.

Sure, I just don't like people using misleading taglines.  I'm actually for universal healthcare. 

Like 80% of the left's policies aren't anywhere NEAR as convincing as CNN and the DNC makes them out to be when you get a detailed explanation. Often they're supported by the same type of studies anti-vaxxers and other quack medicine uses.  

I'm more about 

-illegalizing trans hormone blockers before puberty.

-pro nuclear power

-pro free speech

-against antifa violence (violence is literally their policy)

-against solar and wind power (horrible for the environment)

Honestly I'm not even conservative.  I just can't stand the rhetoric from the left this cycle.  It's literally THICK with provable lies.  Calling everyone and their mother nazi's.  Phony impeachment.  Bending over backwards to gain votes from the extreme left.  Cancel culture.  Forced politics in entertainment.  Blaming literally everything in the world on white men.  Lying about evidence to make global warming sound worse than it is.  

"-against solar and wind power (horrible for the environment)"

>How are these bad for the environment?



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Bofferbrauer2 said:

Looks like you fell right into the Alt-right/4chan trap:

Most of these actions are actually false-flag operations to paint Antifa in a very negative light. I do agree that violence is not the answer, and they had some violent outbursts, which I highly condemn - but as historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat puts it: Throwing a Milkshake at someone ain't the same as killing someone. Also, most of the violence actually comes from defending other people from Neonazis and the like: https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/14/cornel_west_rev_toni_blackmon_clergy

Also,what war did Obama start? He inherited several wars from Bush (Afgahnistan, Irak) and intervened into some existing wars (Syria and Libya, to stop ISIS) , but started? None actually. And he started his tenure by talking with Saudi-Arabia, Iran, Cuba, to avoid coming wars - but those talks of Obama got demonized as much by right-wing media as they praised Trump for trying to do the same with North Korea (unsuccessfully, since they neither stopped they nuclear weapons program or their rocket tests). And praise they do, just look how they described Obama at Fox News at the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-cZG81-MPQ

Fits much more to Trump I'd say - but Fox would never treat him like they treated Obama.

You kidding me, are The Young Turks also a false flag operation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn8trVx7s7Q 5 minutes in he dances around it as much as possible, but basically admits "antifa will do anything necessary including violence". https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/what-is-antifa-trnd/index.html

"Some employ radical or militant tactics"

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa

"Their presence at a protest is intended to intimidate and dissuade racists, but the use of violent measures by some antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious, self-defeating cycle of attacks, counter-attacks and blame. This is why most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive."

Clearly, CNN, TYT and The Anti Defamation League are a false flag operation by the right....  And I don't even know the incidents you brought up. 

And the wars he started were the countless countries he started dropping bombs in from Turkey to Syria.  How many times did he drop one on a funeral or a school because he decided to use drones.  

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the-pi-guy said:

Based on your post, your only exposure to leftist is through Breitbart and 4chan. 

Doubt you've ever had a honest attempt to understand a leftists's viewpoint 

This thread is supposed to be for debate. if you aren't here to debate then go somewhere else.  I literally gave you a page worth of topics to argue with me on and you offer me a "You're biased and I'm ABOVE debating people from opposing viewpoints".



KLAMarine said:

"-against solar and wind power (horrible for the environment)"

>How are these bad for the environment?

Solar power comes with batteries.  The batteries actually make solar power the worst form of energy.  Wind power is just nonsense. Trees are one of the best methods of removing carbon from the air and wind requires us to cut enormous amounts of them down to get any effect.  Not to mention they come with bird graveyards.  



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Snoopy said:

Going by that graph, looks like Republicans take control when the economy does well. Kind of like the comparison between California and Texas. Also there are more jobs than workers vs 10% unemployment rate under Obama and the Demorats. Thank you Donald and Republicans for saving our Country.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-u-s-has-1-million-more-job-openings-than-unemployed-workers/

Corrected.

And then they wreck it Like Bush wrecked the economy in 2007 and Obama inherited his wrecked economy and had to clean up his entire tenure.

Also as you can see, Obama brought the unemployment down to below 5% already. That's not Trump magically eliminating the unemployment, he inherited low unemployment. Same did Bush from Clinton btw. 

Actually, the economy started to get bad when Democrats took over the house and started to recover when Republicans took it back.  The house holds more power than the president if overtaken by the opposition party. Basic politics 101.  Look how low the unemployment rate is when Republicans control everything.

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DarkD said:
KLAMarine said:

"-against solar and wind power (horrible for the environment)"

>How are these bad for the environment?

Solar power comes with batteries.  The batteries actually make solar power the worst form of energy.  Wind power is just nonsense. Trees are one of the best methods of removing carbon from the air and wind requires us to cut enormous amounts of them down to get any effect.  Not to mention they come with bird graveyards.  

"Solar power comes with batteries.  The batteries actually make solar power the worst form of energy."

>Wouldn't any electricity-producing process require batteries for storage?

"Wind power is just nonsense. Trees are one of the best methods of removing carbon from the air and wind requires us to cut enormous amounts of them down to get any effect."

>Why would trees need to be cut down?

"Not to mention they come with bird graveyards."

>How?



KLAMarine said:
DarkD said:

Solar power comes with batteries.  The batteries actually make solar power the worst form of energy.  Wind power is just nonsense. Trees are one of the best methods of removing carbon from the air and wind requires us to cut enormous amounts of them down to get any effect.  Not to mention they come with bird graveyards.  

"Solar power comes with batteries.  The batteries actually make solar power the worst form of energy."

>Wouldn't any electricity-producing process require batteries for storage?

"Wind power is just nonsense. Trees are one of the best methods of removing carbon from the air and wind requires us to cut enormous amounts of them down to get any effect."

>Why would trees need to be cut down?

"Not to mention they come with bird graveyards."

>How?

You have google right?  Do I need to do everything.  These aren't obscure facts.  

https://fcpp.org/2018/09/11/which-kill-more-birds-oil-sands-or-wind-turbines/

Wind turbines kill 8.2 birds per turbine per year

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10546071/Millions-of-trees-chopped-down-to-make-way-for-Scottish-wind-farms.html

Title of the article.  Enough said on deforestation.  

As for solar power, because it only works in the daytime, they need batteries to store excess power for night. 



Snoopy said:

Going by that graph, looks like when Republicans take control the economy does well. Kind of like the comparison between California and Texas. Also there are more jobs than workers vs 10% unemployment rate under Obama and the Demorats. Thank you Donald and Republicans for saving our Country.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-u-s-has-1-million-more-job-openings-than-unemployed-workers/

Nothing greater than the hubris of a conservative.  

DarkD said:

This thread is supposed to be for debate. if you aren't here to debate then go somewhere else.  I literally gave you a page worth of topics to argue with me on and you offer me a "You're biased and I'm ABOVE debating people from opposing viewpoints".

This must be your first time in the thread here.  

1.)  I never said I'm above debating people with opposing viewpoints.  In fact, a few people here would say that I give people too much leniency in that regard. 

2.)  You're acting like we should be thankful for adding something to the discussion.  We've got a few thousand posts in here without you.  

3.)  You're free to post in this thread to start debates, discussions, but they should be done honestly.  Like the free speech bit is incredibly dishonest.  

Snoopy said:

Actually, the economy started to get bad when Democrats took over the house and started to recover when Republicans took it back.  The house holds more power than the president if overtaken by the opposition party. Basic politics 101.  Look how low the unemployment rate is when Republicans control everything.

>The economy is doing great under Trump and Bush and bad under Obama!  

"Not quite"

>That's because Democrats were in control of X during Bush's administration.  


You magically always find a way to give credit to Republicans, no matter how much logic you have to spin to make it happen. According to you, the economy magically responds to Republicans in power, even when they haven't done anything.  No laws need to be passed, just economy growing bigly from how awesome Republicans are.  

Let's do this as factually as possible.Instead of looking at a graph, let's look at a table.  

We have all the data from January 1990 of the unemployment.

Followed by the change in unemployment from the previous month.

Whether the president, the majority of the house and the senate respectively was Republican or Democrat are the next 3 columns.

The next 3 columns, and this is where I'm likely to have made a mistake, says R if your trend is correct for that month based off the party.  Or W if it's wrong.  

The trend here of course is whether Democrats hurt the unemployment rate and whether Republicans help it.

The last 3 columns count how many times you've been right.  The maximum possible number is 361, as this covers 361 months.  

I very well could have messed up the formula, so if someone wants to spot check.  

Change President House Senate President House Senate 0 0 0
Jan-90 5.9 0 R D D W R R 0 1 1
Feb-90 6.2 0.3 R D D W R R 0 2 2
Mar-90 6.3 0.1 R D D W R R 0 3 3
Apr-90 5.4 -0.9 R D D W R R 0 4 4
May-90 5.3 -0.1 R D D W R R 0 5 5
Jun-90 5.2 -0.1 R D D W R R 0 6 6
Jul-90 5.4 0.2 R D D W R R 0 7 7
Aug-90 5.4 0 R D D W R R 0 8 8
Sep-90 5.2 -0.2 R D D W R R 0 9 9
Oct-90 5.5 0.3 R D D W R R 0 10 10
Nov-90 5.7 0.2 R D D W R R 0 11 11
Dec-90 5.9 0.2 R D D W R R 0 12 12
Jan-91 5.9 0 R D D W R R 0 13 13
Feb-91 6.2 0.3 R D D W R R 0 14 14
Mar-91 6.3 0.1 R D D W R R 0 15 15
Apr-91 6.4 0.1 R D D W R R 0 16 16
May-91 6.6 0.2 R D D W R R 0 17 17
Jun-91 6.8 0.2 R D D W R R 0 18 18
Jul-91 6.7 -0.1 R D D W R R 0 19 19
Aug-91 6.9 0.2 R D D W R R 0 20 20
Sep-91 6.9 0 R D D W R R 0 21 21
Oct-91 6.8 -0.1 R D D W R R 0 22 22
Nov-91 6.9 0.1 R D D W R R 0 23 23
Dec-91 6.9 0 R D D W R R 0 24 24
Jan-92 7 0.1 R D D W R R 0 25 25
Feb-92 7 0 R D D W R R 0 26 26
Mar-92 7.3 0.3 R D D W R R 0 27 27
Apr-92 7.3 0 R D D W R R 0 28 28
May-92 7.4 0.1 R D D W R R 0 29 29
Jun-92 7.4 0 R D D W R R 0 30 30
Jul-92 7.4 0 R D D W R R 0 31 31
Aug-92 7.6 0.2 R D D W R R 0 32 32
Sep-92 7.8 0.2 R D D W R R 0 33 33
Oct-92 7.7 -0.1 R D D W R R 0 34 34
Nov-92 7.6 -0.1 R D D W R R 0 35 35
Dec-92 7.6 0 R D D W R R 0 36 36
Jan-93 7.3 -0.3 R D D W R R 0 37 37
Feb-93 7.4 0.1 D D D R R R 1 38 38
Mar-93 7.4 0 D D D R R R 2 39 39
Apr-93 7.3 -0.1 D D D R R R 3 40 40
May-93 7.1 -0.2 D D D R R R 4 41 41
Jun-93 7 -0.1 D D D R R R 5 42 42
Jul-93 7.1 0.1 D D D R R R 6 43 43
Aug-93 7.1 0 D D D R R R 7 44 44
Sep-93 7 -0.1 D D D R R R 8 45 45
Oct-93 6.9 -0.1 D D D R R R 9 46 46
Nov-93 6.8 -0.1 D D D R R R 10 47 47
Dec-93 6.7 -0.1 D D D R R R 11 48 48
Jan-94 6.8 0.1 D D D R R R 12 49 49
Feb-94 6.6 -0.2 D D D R R R 13 50 50
Mar-94 6.5 -0.1 D D D R R R 14 51 51
Apr-94 6.6 0.1 D D D R R R 15 52 52
May-94 6.6 0 D D D R R R 16 53 53
Jun-94 6.5 -0.1 D D D R R R 17 54 54
Jul-94 6.4 -0.1 D D D R R R 18 55 55
Aug-94 6.1 -0.3 D D D R R R 19 56 56
Sep-94 6.1 0 D D D R R R 20 57 57
Oct-94 6.1 0 D D D R R R 21 58 58
Nov-94 6 -0.1 D D D R R R 22 59 59
Dec-94 5.9 -0.1 D D D R R R 23 60 60
Jan-95 5.8 -0.1 D R R R W W 24 60 60
Feb-95 5.6 -0.2 D R R R W W 25 60 60
Mar-95 5.5 -0.1 D R R R W W 26 60 60
Apr-95 5.6 0.1 D R R R W W 27 60 60
May-95 5.4 -0.2 D R R R W W 28 60 60
Jun-95 5.4 0 D R R R W W 29 60 60
Jul-95 5.8 0.4 D R R R W W 30 60 60
Aug-95 5.6 -0.2 D R R R W W 31 60 60
Sep-95 5.6 0 D R R R W W 32 60 60
Oct-95 5.7 0.1 D R R R W W 33 60 60
Nov-95 5.7 0 D R R R W W 34 60 60
Dec-95 5.6 -0.1 D R R R W W 35 60 60
Jan-96 5.5 -0.1 D R R R W W 36 60 60
Feb-96 5.6 0.1 D R R R W W 37 60 60
Mar-96 5.6 0 D R R R W W 38 60 60
Apr-96 5.6 0 D R R R W W 39 60 60
May-96 5.5 -0.1 D R R R W W 40 60 60
Jun-96 5.5 0 D R R R W W 41 60 60
Jul-96 5.6 0.1 D R R R W W 42 60 60
Aug-96 5.6 0 D R R R W W 43 60 60
Sep-96 5.3 -0.3 D R R R W W 44 60 60
Oct-96 5.5 0.2 D R R R W W 45 60 60
Nov-96 5.1 -0.4 D R R R W W 46 60 60
Dec-96 5.2 0.1 D R R R W W 47 60 60
Jan-97 5.2 0 D R R R W W 48 60 60
Feb-97 5.4 0.2 D R R R W W 49 60 60
Mar-97 5.4 0 D R R R W W 50 60 60
Apr-97 5.3 -0.1 D R R R W W 51 60 60
May-97 5.2 -0.1 D R R R W W 52 60 60
Jun-97 5.2 0 D R R R W W 53 60 60
Jul-97 5.1 -0.1 D R R R W W 54 60 60
Aug-97 4.9 -0.2 D R R R W W 55 60 60
Sep-97 5 0.1 D R R R W W 56 60 60
Oct-97 4.9 -0.1 D R R R W W 57 60 60
Nov-97 4.8 -0.1 D R R R W W 58 60 60
Dec-97 4.9 0.1 D R R R W W 59 60 60
Jan-98 4.7 -0.2 D R R R W W 60 60 60
Feb-98 4.6 -0.1 D R R R W W 61 60 60
Mar-98 4.7 0.1 D R R R W W 62 60 60
Apr-98 4.6 -0.1 D R R R W W 63 60 60
May-98 4.6 0 D R R R W W 64 60 60
Jun-98 4.7 0.1 D R R R W W 65 60 60
Jul-98 4.3 -0.4 D R R R W W 66 60 60
Aug-98 4.4 0.1 D R R R W W 67 60 60
Sep-98 4.5 0.1 D R R R W W 68 60 60
Oct-98 4.5 0 D R R R W W 69 60 60
Nov-98 4.5 0 D R R R W W 70 60 60
Dec-98 4.6 0.1 D R R R W W 71 60 60
Jan-99 4.5 -0.1 D R R R W W 72 60 60
Feb-99 4.4 -0.1 D R R R W W 73 60 60
Mar-99 4.4 0 D R R R W W 74 60 60
Apr-99 4.3 -0.1 D R R R W W 75 60 60
May-99 4.4 0.1 D R R R W W 76 60 60
Jun-99 4.2 -0.2 D R R R W W 77 60 60
Jul-99 4.3 0.1 D R R R W W 78 60 60
Aug-99 4.2 -0.1 D R R R W W 79 60 60
Sep-99 4.3 0.1 D R R R W W 80 60 60
Oct-99 4.3 0 D R R R W W 81 60 60
Nov-99 4.2 -0.1 D R R R W W 82 60 60
Dec-99 4.2 0 D R R R W W 83 60 60
Jan-00 4.1 -0.1 D R R R W W 84 60 60
Feb-00 4.1 0 D R R R W W 85 60 60
Mar-00 4 -0.1 D R R R W W 86 60 60
Apr-00 4 0 D R R R W W 87 60 60
May-00 4.1 0.1 D R R R W W 88 60 60
Jun-00 4 -0.1 D R R R W W 89 60 60
Jul-00 3.8 -0.2 D R R R W W 90 60 60
Aug-00 4 0.2 D R R R W W 91 60 60
Sep-00 4 0 D R R R W W 92 60 60
Oct-00 4 0 D R R R W W 93 60 60
Nov-00 4.1 0.1 D R R R W W 94 60 60
Dec-00 3.9 -0.2 D R R R W W 95 60 60
Jan-01 3.9 0 D R D R W R 96 60 61
Feb-01 3.9 0 R R R W W W 96 60 61
Mar-01 3.9 0 R R R W W W 96 60 61
Apr-01 4.2 0.3 R R R W W W 96 60 61
May-01 4.2 0 R R R W W W 96 60 61
Jun-01 4.3 0.1 R R D* W W R 96 60 62
Jul-01 4.4 0.1 R R D* W W R 96 60 63
Aug-01 4.3 -0.1 R R D* W W W 96 60 63
Sep-01 4.5 0.2 R R D* W W R 96 60 64
Oct-01 4.6 0.1 R R D* W W R 96 60 65
Nov-01 4.9 0.3 R R D* W W R 96 60 66
Dec-01 5 0.1 R R D* W W R 96 60 67
Jan-02 5.3 0.3 R R D* W W R 96 60 68
Feb-02 5.5 0.2 R R D* W W R 96 60 69
Mar-02 5.7 0.2 R R D* W W R 96 60 70
Apr-02 5.7 0 R R D* W W W 96 60 70
May-02 5.7 0 R R D* W W W 96 60 70
Jun-02 5.7 0 R R D* W W W 96 60 70
Jul-02 5.9 0.2 R R D* W W R 96 60 71
Aug-02 5.8 -0.1 R R D* W W W 96 60 71
Sep-02 5.8 0 R R D* W W W 96 60 71
Oct-02 5.8 0 R R D* W W W 96 60 71
Nov-02 5.7 -0.1 R R D* W W W 96 60 71
Dec-02 5.7 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jan-03 5.7 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Feb-03 5.9 0.2 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Mar-03 6 0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Apr-03 5.8 -0.2 R R R W W W 96 60 71
May-03 5.9 0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jun-03 5.9 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jul-03 6 0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Aug-03 6.1 0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Sep-03 6.3 0.2 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Oct-03 6.2 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Nov-03 6.1 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Dec-03 6.1 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jan-04 6 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Feb-04 5.8 -0.2 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Mar-04 5.7 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Apr-04 5.7 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
May-04 5.6 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jun-04 5.8 0.2 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jul-04 5.6 -0.2 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Aug-04 5.6 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Sep-04 5.6 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Oct-04 5.5 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Nov-04 5.4 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Dec-04 5.4 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jan-05 5.5 0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Feb-05 5.4 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Mar-05 5.4 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Apr-05 5.3 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
May-05 5.4 0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jun-05 5.2 -0.2 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jul-05 5.2 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Aug-05 5.1 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Sep-05 5 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Oct-05 5 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Nov-05 4.9 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Dec-05 5 0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jan-06 5 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Feb-06 5 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Mar-06 4.9 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Apr-06 4.7 -0.2 R R R W W W 96 60 71
May-06 4.8 0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jun-06 4.7 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jul-06 4.7 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Aug-06 4.6 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Sep-06 4.6 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Oct-06 4.7 0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Nov-06 4.7 0 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Dec-06 4.5 -0.2 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Jan-07 4.4 -0.1 R R R W W W 96 60 71
Feb-07 4.5 0.1 R D D W R R 96 61 72
Mar-07 4.4 -0.1 R D D W R R 96 62 73
Apr-07 4.6 0.2 R D D W R R 96 63 74
May-07 4.5 -0.1 R D D W R R 96 64 75
Jun-07 4.4 -0.1 R D D W R R 96 65 76
Jul-07 4.5 0.1 R D D W R R 96 66 77
Aug-07 4.4 -0.1 R D D W R R 96 67 78
Sep-07 4.6 0.2 R D D W R R 96 68 79
Oct-07 4.7 0.1 R D D W R R 96 69 80
Nov-07 4.6 -0.1 R D D W R R 96 70 81
Dec-07 4.7 0.1 R D D W R R 96 71 82
Jan-08 4.7 0 R D D W R R 96 72 83
Feb-08 4.7 0 R D D W R R 96 73 84
Mar-08 5 0.3 R D D W R R 96 74 85
Apr-08 5 0 R D D W R R 96 75 86
May-08 4.9 -0.1 R D D W R R 96 76 87
Jun-08 5.1 0.2 R D D W R R 96 77 88
Jul-08 5 -0.1 R D D W R R 96 78 89
Aug-08 5.4 0.4 R D D W R R 96 79 90
Sep-08 5.6 0.2 R D D W R R 96 80 91
Oct-08 5.8 0.2 R D D W R R 96 81 92
Nov-08 6.1 0.3 R D D W R R 96 82 93
Dec-08 6.1 0 R D D W R R 96 83 94
Jan-09 6.5 0.4 R D D W R R 96 84 95
Feb-09 6.8 0.3 D D D R R R 97 85 96
Mar-09 7.3 0.5 D D D R R R 98 86 97
Apr-09 7.8 0.5 D D D R R R 99 87 98
May-09 8.3 0.5 D D D R R R 100 88 99
Jun-09 8.7 0.4 D D D R R R 101 89 100
Jul-09 9 0.3 D D D R R R 102 90 101
Aug-09 9.4 0.4 D D D R R R 103 91 102
Sep-09 9.5 0.1 D D D R R R 104 92 103
Oct-09 9.5 0 D D D R R R 105 93 104
Nov-09 9.6 0.1 D D D R R R 106 94 105
Dec-09 9.8 0.2 D D D R R R 107 95 106
Jan-10 10 0.2 D D D R R R 108 96 107
Feb-10 9.9 -0.1 D D D R R R 109 97 108
Mar-10 9.9 0 D D D R R R 110 98 109
Apr-10 9.8 -0.1 D D D R R R 111 99 110
May-10 9.8 0 D D D R R R 112 100 111
Jun-10 9.9 0.1 D D D R R R 113 101 112
Jul-10 9.9 0 D D D R R R 114 102 113
Aug-10 9.6 -0.3 D D D R R R 115 103 114
Sep-10 9.4 -0.2 D D D R R R 116 104 115
Oct-10 9.4 0 D D D R R R 117 105 116
Nov-10 9.5 0.1 D D D R R R 118 106 117
Dec-10 9.5 0 D D D R R R 119 107 118
Jan-11 9.4 -0.1 D R D R W R 120 107 119
Feb-11 9.8 0.4 D R D R W R 121 107 120
Mar-11 9.3 -0.5 D R D R W R 122 107 121
Apr-11 9.1 -0.2 D R D R W R 123 107 122
May-11 9 -0.1 D R D R W R 124 107 123
Jun-11 9 0 D R D R W R 125 107 124
Jul-11 9.1 0.1 D R D R W R 126 107 125
Aug-11 9 -0.1 D R D R W R 127 107 126
Sep-11 9.1 0.1 D R D R W R 128 107 127
Oct-11 9 -0.1 D R D R W R 129 107 128
Nov-11 9 0 D R D R W R 130 107 129
Dec-11 9 0 D R D R W R 131 107 130
Jan-12 8.8 -0.2 D R D R W R 132 107 131
Feb-12 8.6 -0.2 D R D R W R 133 107 132
Mar-12 8.5 -0.1 D R D R W R 134 107 133
Apr-12 8.3 -0.2 D R D R W R 135 107 134
May-12 8.3 0 D R D R W R 136 107 135
Jun-12 8.2 -0.1 D R D R W R 137 107 136
Jul-12 8.2 0 D R D R W R 138 107 137
Aug-12 8.2 0 D R D R W R 139 107 138
Sep-12 8.2 0 D R D R W R 140 107 139
Oct-12 8.2 0 D R D R W R 141 107 140
Nov-12 8.1 -0.1 D R D R W R 142 107 141
Dec-12 7.8 -0.3 D R D R W R 143 107 142
Jan-13 7.8 0 D R D R W R 144 107 143
Feb-13 7.7 -0.1 D R D R W R 145 107 144
Mar-13 7.9 0.2 D R D R W R 146 107 145
Apr-13 8 0.1 D R D R W R 147 107 146
May-13 7.7 -0.3 D R D R W R 148 107 147
Jun-13 7.5 -0.2 D R D R W R 149 107 148
Jul-13 7.6 0.1 D R D R W R 150 107 149
Aug-13 7.5 -0.1 D R D R W R 151 107 150
Sep-13 7.5 0 D R D R W R 152 107 151
Oct-13 7.3 -0.2 D R D R W R 153 107 152
Nov-13 7.2 -0.1 D R D R W R 154 107 153
Dec-13 7.2 0 D R D R W R 155 107 154
Jan-14 7.2 0 D R D R W R 156 107 155
Feb-14 6.9 -0.3 D R D R W R 157 107 156
Mar-14 6.7 -0.2 D R D R W R 158 107 157
Apr-14 6.6 -0.1 D R D R W R 159 107 158
May-14 6.7 0.1 D R D R W R 160 107 159
Jun-14 6.7 0 D R D R W R 161 107 160
Jul-14 6.2 -0.5 D R D R W R 162 107 161
Aug-14 6.3 0.1 D R D R W R 163 107 162
Sep-14 6.1 -0.2 D R D R W R 164 107 163
Oct-14 6.2 0.1 D R D R W R 165 107 164
Nov-14 6.1 -0.1 D R D R W R 166 107 165
Dec-14 5.9 -0.2 D R D R W R 167 107 166
Jan-15 5.7 -0.2 D R R R W W 168 107 166
Feb-15 5.8 0.1 D R R R W W 169 107 166
Mar-15 5.6 -0.2 D R R R W W 170 107 166
Apr-15 5.7 0.1 D R R R W W 171 107 166
May-15 5.5 -0.2 D R R R W W 172 107 166
Jun-15 5.4 -0.1 D R R R W W 173 107 166
Jul-15 5.4 0 D R R R W W 174 107 166
Aug-15 5.6 0.2 D R R R W W 175 107 166
Sep-15 5.3 -0.3 D R R R W W 176 107 166
Oct-15 5.2 -0.1 D R R R W W 177 107 166
Nov-15 5.1 -0.1 D R R R W W 178 107 166
Dec-15 5 -0.1 D R R R W W 179 107 166
Jan-16 5 0 D R R R W W 180 107 166
Feb-16 5.1 0.1 D R R R W W 181 107 166
Mar-16 5 -0.1 D R R R W W 182 107 166
Apr-16 4.9 -0.1 D R R R W W 183 107 166
May-16 4.9 0 D R R R W W 184 107 166
Jun-16 5 0.1 D R R R W W 185 107 166
Jul-16 5 0 D R R R W W 186 107 166
Aug-16 4.8 -0.2 D R R R W W 187 107 166
Sep-16 4.9 0.1 D R R R W W 188 107 166
Oct-16 4.8 -0.1 D R R R W W 189 107 166
Nov-16 4.9 0.1 D R R R W W 190 107 166
Dec-16 5 0.1 D R R R W W 191 107 166
Jan-17 4.9 -0.1 D R R R W W 192 107 166
Feb-17 4.7 -0.2 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Mar-17 4.7 0 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Apr-17 4.7 0 R R R W W W 192 107 166
May-17 4.6 -0.1 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Jun-17 4.4 -0.2 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Jul-17 4.4 0 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Aug-17 4.4 0 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Sep-17 4.3 -0.1 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Oct-17 4.3 0 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Nov-17 4.4 0.1 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Dec-17 4.2 -0.2 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Jan-18 4.1 -0.1 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Feb-18 4.2 0.1 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Mar-18 4.1 -0.1 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Apr-18 4.1 0 R R R W W W 192 107 166
May-18 4.1 0 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Jun-18 4 -0.1 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Jul-18 4 0 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Aug-18 3.8 -0.2 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Sep-18 4 0.2 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Oct-18 3.8 -0.2 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Nov-18 3.8 0 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Dec-18 3.7 -0.1 R R R W W W 192 107 166
Jan-19 3.8 0.1 R D R W R W 192 108 166
Feb-19 3.7 -0.1 R D R W R W 192 109 166
Mar-19 3.9 0.2 R D R W R W 192 110 166
Apr-19 4 0.1 R D R W R W 192 111 166
May-19 3.8 -0.2 R D R W R W 192 112 166
Jun-19 3.8 0 R D R W R W 192 113 166
Jul-19 3.6 -0.2 R D R W R W 192 114 166
Aug-19 3.6 0 R D R W R W 192 115 166
Sep-19 3.7 0.1 R D R W R W 192 116 166
Oct-19 3.7 0 R D R W R W 192 117 166
Nov-19 3.7 0 R D R W R W 192 118 166
Dec-19 3.5 -0.2 R D R W R W 192 119 166
Jan-20 3.6 0.1 R D R W R W 192 120 166

So assuming this is all done correctly: 

Your belief is right 192/361 for the president.  For the House, it is only right 120/361.  For the senate it is right only 166/361.

If all that data is correct, it would mean that things fair better on average when the House and Senate have Democratic majorities with a Republican president.  

Or the political parties don't actually have anywhere near the impact you think they do.



DarkD said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Looks like you fell right into the Alt-right/4chan trap:

Most of these actions are actually false-flag operations to paint Antifa in a very negative light. I do agree that violence is not the answer, and they had some violent outbursts, which I highly condemn - but as historian Ruth Ben-Ghiat puts it: Throwing a Milkshake at someone ain't the same as killing someone. Also, most of the violence actually comes from defending other people from Neonazis and the like: https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/14/cornel_west_rev_toni_blackmon_clergy

Also,what war did Obama start? He inherited several wars from Bush (Afgahnistan, Irak) and intervened into some existing wars (Syria and Libya, to stop ISIS) , but started? None actually. And he started his tenure by talking with Saudi-Arabia, Iran, Cuba, to avoid coming wars - but those talks of Obama got demonized as much by right-wing media as they praised Trump for trying to do the same with North Korea (unsuccessfully, since they neither stopped they nuclear weapons program or their rocket tests). And praise they do, just look how they described Obama at Fox News at the time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-cZG81-MPQ

Fits much more to Trump I'd say - but Fox would never treat him like they treated Obama.

You kidding me, are The Young Turks also a false flag operation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn8trVx7s7Q 5 minutes in he dances around it as much as possible, but basically admits "antifa will do anything necessary including violence". https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/what-is-antifa-trnd/index.html

"Some employ radical or militant tactics"

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa

"Their presence at a protest is intended to intimidate and dissuade racists, but the use of violent measures by some antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious, self-defeating cycle of attacks, counter-attacks and blame. This is why most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive."

Clearly, CNN, TYT and The Anti Defamation League are a false flag operation by the right....  And I don't even know the incidents you brought up. 

And the wars he started were the countless countries he started dropping bombs in from Turkey to Syria.  How many times did he drop one on a funeral or a school because he decided to use drones.  

That one word I bolded says it all. You make it out as if everyone in Antifa is a violent jerk. That's their black sheep, which you find in any organisation of sufficient size.

I do agree however that their cause, which was pretty laudable, degenerated a lot since they became more "mainstream". However, they are not nearly as stupid violent against everything as right-wing media would lead you believe.

Again, none of these wars have been started by Obama, he just intervened in these conflicts. Otherwise going by your standard, you could just as well say that FDR started WW2.

DarkD said:
KLAMarine said:

"-against solar and wind power (horrible for the environment)"

>How are these bad for the environment?

1. Solar power comes with batteries. 2. The batteries actually make solar power the worst form of energy. 3. Wind power is just nonsense. Trees are one of the best methods of removing carbon from the air and wind requires us to cut enormous amounts of them down to get any effect.  4. Not to mention they come with bird graveyards.  

1. Any type of Power generation needs some amount and some way of power retention, be it batteries, pumped-storage Hydroelectricity, Flywheels, compressed air or any other way to retain energy in a different form than electricity for times of need. As such, claiming that only renewable energy would need energy storage is flat-out wrong. This is especially true with nuclear energy, as that one needs a long time to raise or lower it's power production and on it's own would certainly need more energy storage than renewables do.

2. This could be true if industrial batteries would also be using Lithium batteries like consumer devices do. But Lithium batteries are not very economic in that scenario despite their low price. Most new big grid batteries use batteries made out of sodium-sulphur or vanadium to store the energy. Home energy storage used to use lead acid, then Lithium-ion, but are also increasingly made of used electric car batteries, as they are not viable to use in cars anymore but still good for home battery systems. Besides, recycling of Lithium, while difficult, is very much possible. Also, a new Lithium power pack at home should last at least 12-15 years before it needs replacement. Finally, while the dangers of Lithium have been played up, the actual environmental danger for recycling came from Cobalt - which is not present in new Lithium-Iron batteries.

3. Why would you need to cut trees? You can put them in the midst of fields, into the ocean or even in a free spot in a forest without having to cut a single tree. Modern windmills are so tall that they completely dwarf most trees anyway, so even if there were a couple in the way, they would only cut efficiency by single digits.

4. Need to find the source again, but according to statistics, 240k birds died in a year from windmills in the US. But compared to 1.9 million in Toronto alone or 370-980 millions in the US who crashed against office towers, that's a real low number. So yeah, there are birds that die from windmills - but a single office tower is a bigger bird killer than an entire windmill farm. The study also found that just looking at the amount of birds dying from crashing against any structure is also misleading, as it doesn't show what effect they have on bird births. Power plants take up lots of space which birds can't use for nesting anymore, for instance, can have worse long-term effects on the bird population that windmills.

Snoopy said: -
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Corrected.

And then they wreck it Like Bush wrecked the economy in 2007 and Obama inherited his wrecked economy and had to clean up his entire tenure.

Also as you can see, Obama brought the unemployment down to below 5% already. That's not Trump magically eliminating the unemployment, he inherited low unemployment. Same did Bush from Clinton btw. 

Actually, the economy started to get bad when Democrats took over the house and started to recover when Republicans took it back.  The house holds more power than the president if overtaken by the opposition party. Basic politics 101.  Look how low the unemployment rate is when Republicans control everything.

So, the US had a bad economy from the mid 50's to mid 90's? Because the House was ruled by the democrats during that period for 40 years straight. Yeah, right...



the-pi-guy said:

So assuming this is all done correctly: 

Your belief is right 192/361 for the president.  For the House, it is only right 120/361.  For the senate it is right only 166/361.

If all that data is correct, it would mean that things fair better on average when the House and Senate have Democratic majorities with a Republican president.  

Or the political parties don't actually have anywhere near the impact you think they do.

I find it utterly astounding how blinded both sides are by the concept that...there are more factors at play in the complicated US (or any) economy than who was president at the time. I hate Trump, but he's not the sole reason things are as they are. I loved Obama, but he was not the sole one responsible for the ebb and flow of the US Economy between 2008 and 2016. Anyone actually arguing that they - and even the parties that they are a part of - are solely responsible for the economy during their tenure is exactly the kind of person who's opinions can be immediately dismissed for bias or ignorance. 

So, SO many factors are involved in an economy that even if I spent the next ten years of my life trying to explain it, someone could easily mention how rice production in Taiwan was missed out. Every little thing factors into the economy. World interactions are important, global events, the climate, general public perception, technological advancements, the ebb and flow of various companies and their impact, international trade factors, availability, pandemics, relations, corporate shenanigans, and so, so many other factors need to be considered. Yeah, politics are a slice of that - as different political parties push for different policies and changes in laws - but it's only a small fraction of the vast pie that is global economics. And, even if political parties do have some influence, the time and effort needed to put new laws into place ensures that it could be years or even as much as a decade before a proposed bill really has far-reaching effects. 

Politics are important, they do have impact, but to assume that a politician or party is solely responsible for the economy during their tenure is so palpably stupid that anyone arguing using that as their primary point can be and should be immediately dismissed. If anyone does that they are clearly showing they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about no sense of perception, and no grasp of the vastly complicated workings of international economics. 

It's almost like EVERYTHING is more complicated and nuanced than headlines and sensationalist garbage could ever possibly hope to convey. 



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