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alternine on 07 September 2016
Phronesis said:
I expect the release of HDR alongside the 4.0 firmware update.

Forgot about the firmware update. Thanks for the reminder.



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irstupid on 07 September 2016
foodfather said:
crissindahouse said:

What? Did you even ever see it? When I first saw it I was blown away. 720p to 1080p was nice. Same with 1080p to 4k but HDR is just fantastic. 

Also it's not only about a few TV shows since the games will support it as well I guess (especially with every console supporting it many devs will work on it)

Still no idea how it will work on older PS4s

Do not be fooled by store demos. 

There are even clowns on YT doing comparisons with regular blurays,  and they simply reduce the contrast on the regular bluray to make the HDR look better. 

Lots of clips I see on youtube, they are from the same tv's and the person shows the tv settings on both before hand in order to prove that he did no tweaking. 



Mafioso on 07 September 2016

The compromise with the OG Ps4/Slim is that due to HDMI 1.4 limitations...you are relying on your UHD TV to upscale with its internal scaler...which adds frames of lag.

Upscaling is better when done on the hardware level before output onto the display...so that the display receives a 4K signal.

Also people should be shopping 'HDR Premium' labeled UHD TV's panels to benefit from 10bit wide color gamut HDR.

If buying something 'HDR Pro' or Samsung KU/ LG UF lower costseries ...the HDR is stil handicapped within an 8bit panel's 16.7 million colors...as opposed to 1 BILLION colors . Big difference.



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SvennoJ on 07 September 2016
Mafioso said:

The compromise with the OG Ps4/Slim is that due to HDMI 1.4 limitations...you are relying on your UHD TV to upscale with its internal scaler...which adds frames of lag.

Upscaling is better when done on the hardware level before output onto the display...so that the display receives a 4K signal.

Also people should be shopping 'HDR Premium' labeled UHD TV's panels to benefit from 10bit wide color gamut HDR.

If buying something 'HDR Pro' or Samsung KU/ LG UF lower costseries ...the HDR is stil handicapped within an 8bit panel's 16.7 million colors...as opposed to 1 BILLION colors . Big difference.

I'm scratching my head how Sony is planning on providing HDR over hdmi 1.4. Current HDR tvs only accept HDR as part of a 4K hdmi 2.0a signal. It will have to upscale as well. Reading the difficulties the One S has pairing with HDR tvs, how is the base ps4 going to do it through the old port?
http://www.cnet.com/products/microsoft-xbox-one-s/2/

Perhaps the port was already designed with a firmware update to hdmi 2.0 in mind. They managed to magic 3D output into the ps3 as well after all.



irstupid on 07 September 2016
SvennoJ said:
Mafioso said:

The compromise with the OG Ps4/Slim is that due to HDMI 1.4 limitations...you are relying on your UHD TV to upscale with its internal scaler...which adds frames of lag.

Upscaling is better when done on the hardware level before output onto the display...so that the display receives a 4K signal.

Also people should be shopping 'HDR Premium' labeled UHD TV's panels to benefit from 10bit wide color gamut HDR.

If buying something 'HDR Pro' or Samsung KU/ LG UF lower costseries ...the HDR is stil handicapped within an 8bit panel's 16.7 million colors...as opposed to 1 BILLION colors . Big difference.

I'm scratching my head how Sony is planning on providing HDR over hdmi 1.4. Current HDR tvs only accept HDR as part of a 4K hdmi 2.0a signal. It will have to upscale as well. Reading the difficulties the One S has pairing with HDR tvs, how is the base ps4 going to do it through the old port?
http://www.cnet.com/products/microsoft-xbox-one-s/2/

Perhaps the port was already designed with a firmware update to hdmi 2.0 in mind. They managed to magic 3D output into the ps3 as well after all.

It's gonna be fake HDR.

HDMI 1.4 only supports 8 bit color. HDR is 10 bit.

Be like advertising HD while using composite cables. 



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SvennoJ on 07 September 2016
irstupid said:
SvennoJ said:

I'm scratching my head how Sony is planning on providing HDR over hdmi 1.4. Current HDR tvs only accept HDR as part of a 4K hdmi 2.0a signal. It will have to upscale as well. Reading the difficulties the One S has pairing with HDR tvs, how is the base ps4 going to do it through the old port?
http://www.cnet.com/products/microsoft-xbox-one-s/2/

Perhaps the port was already designed with a firmware update to hdmi 2.0 in mind. They managed to magic 3D output into the ps3 as well after all.

It's gonna be fake HDR.

HDMI 1.4 only supports 8 bit color. HDR is 10 bit.

Be like advertising HD while using composite cables. 

HDMI 1.3 already supports 10, 12 and 16 bit color. HDMI 1.4 supports 4K video at max 30 fps.
However the HDR layer is only specced into HDMI 2.0a
http://denon.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/192/~/differences-between-hdmi-versions-1.1,-1.2,-1.3a,-1.4-and-2.0%3F



Mafioso on 07 September 2016

Deep Color feature is about bit depth (determined by the HDMI chip used) , not wide color gamut in HDR. Two separate things, that sound similar, but are not.

 

HDMI 2.0a chipset is required on all devices in a chain to transmit the metadata that allows 4K HDR/wide color gamut to be displayed.  HDR1000(HDR10) , which is the 4K standard, cannot be supported over HDMI 1.4. So you are limited to 8bit HDR...which is within the 16.7m color range 8bit LCD's have had for ages.



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irstupid on 07 September 2016
Mafioso said:

Deep Color feature is about bit depth (determined by the HDMI chip used) , not wide color gamut in HDR. Two separate things, that sound similar, but are not.

 

HDMI 2.0a chipset is required on all devices in a chain to transmit the metadata that allows 4K HDR/wide color gamut to be displayed.

Regardless teh reason, the fact remains without HDMI 2.0 (which ps4's don't have) you can't have HDR

Now ignoring HDMI. Is there a 1080p tv that can even do HDR? Everywhere I look, its solely restricted to 4k tv's that have HDR.

Maybe that is something a 1080p tv can firmware, unlike the HDMI. But what tv company would want to do that? NONE. They all want you to go out and buy their new 4k tv's. Why would they update their older 1080p sets to do HDR?



UltimateGamer1982 on 07 September 2016

Most new 4K tvs today support HDR. And 4K tvs from 1-2 years ago are getting firmware patches to support it too this year.



irstupid on 07 September 2016
UltimateGamer1982 said:
Most new 4K tvs today support HDR. And 4K tvs from 1-2 years ago are getting firmware patches to support it too this year.

Yes 4k tv's. Sony said 1080p users would get HDR.

I don't know if that's possible, but even if it is, I don't see companies doing that. They want you buying new sets.