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Teeqoz said:
swbf2lord said:
osed125 said:
Serious_frusting said:
Religion is the scourge of the earth.


90% of the time it causes suffering. It might sound bad but if people stopped preying for each other as much and actually helped all of these countries would not be in such a mess. Also these countries need to help themselves instead of screaming for help from more powerful nations then screaming bullies afterwards.

Harsh but true.

Prayers don't help people, actions do.


But the prayers can galvanize us into action, with the (at times) unseen hand of God, moving people to do things outside of what they find comfortable. I'll continue to pray for those in Iraq, and the whole of the Middle East. It's a very unstable region, and only God can change their hearts now.

 

What Serious_frusting said is in no way true. Ludicrous, and in a way, sad, but not true.



I'm not saying this as an anti religion comment, albeit I'm not religious myself, but you can simply not deny that religion has had many negative implications on human history, as well as positive implications. Saying anything else is straight up wrong. Now for the comment you replied to, I agree with him. If you pray you want to help, but besides praying you are not exactly doing anything to help. Also why is Serious_frustings point of view sad?


You ought to read the other comments I made first.



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MoHasanie said:
So looks like Britain will help deliver aid and support America's efforts to help people in Iraq. Its annoying that nobody helps until America decides to help. Its like the other countries don't have a brain to make their own decisions...

Sorry what ?



Teeqoz said:
swbf2lord said:
osed125 said:
Serious_frusting said:
Religion is the scourge of the earth.


90% of the time it causes suffering. It might sound bad but if people stopped preying for each other as much and actually helped all of these countries would not be in such a mess. Also these countries need to help themselves instead of screaming for help from more powerful nations then screaming bullies afterwards.

Harsh but true.

Prayers don't help people, actions do.


But the prayers can galvanize us into action, with the (at times) unseen hand of God, moving people to do things outside of what they find comfortable. I'll continue to pray for those in Iraq, and the whole of the Middle East. It's a very unstable region, and only God can change their hearts now.

 

What Serious_frusting said is in no way true. Ludicrous, and in a way, sad, but not true.



I'm not saying this as an anti religion comment, albeit I'm not religious myself, but you can simply not deny that religion has had many negative implications on human history, as well as positive implications. Saying anything else is straight up wrong. Now for the comment you replied to, I agree with him. If you pray you want to help, but besides praying you are not exactly doing anything to help. Also why is Serious_frustings point of view sad?


Prayer does nothing; that said I doubt any of the people in this thread are able to do anything to help anyway, so prayer is all they got. Although if an omnipotent and omniscient god exists, he should see what's happening to his people and help out whether people pray or not. Unfortunately what you see is a result of prayer doing nothing and people getting killed anyway.

serious_frusting's point isn't untrue in any way. The only way this situation can change is if people take action, but the bad thing is that the Christians in Iraq are minority so are easily oppressed. If people would stop oppressing (and especially killing) others due to their beliefs, the world would be better off.




fighter said:
MoHasanie said:
So looks like Britain will help deliver aid and support America's efforts to help people in Iraq. Its annoying that nobody helps until America decides to help. Its like the other countries don't have a brain to make their own decisions...

Sorry what ?

Half of these, namely Cote d'Ivore, Chad, CAR, Mali, are military operations in the region that's wholly France owned enterprise (as long as Americans do not mind, of course), therefore the notion of "help" is not very suitable here, minding their own colonial business I'd say. Besides in number of these operations the US took backseat, namely Mali and Libya, so if anything the US helped France. Outside of these fearsome French army is rather irrelevant in terms of help to the US, the most obvious example is ISAF, to which French army contributed less than, say, such military superpowers as Hungary or Romania.



MoHasanie said:
mai said:
fighter said:

again, a superficial opinion

even a superficial comparison beats your superficial opinion : Lybia is better off than Syria

so  a superficial conclusion would be that even a bad NATO intervention with no-follow-up is better than putins' "contribution"

And you're superficial person. Libya was better without any intervention at all and staged rebellion paid on Saudis money. You, as Ukrainian patriot, should know better, be consistent. Now, go chase jundullahs in Maghrib. Nice work :D

Have to agree with this. Libya has huge problems right now. The main airport was attacked and many planes (some brand new) were damaged. These sorts of things weren't happening even with Gadafi in charge. Gadafi may have been a dictator, but at least conditions in his country were improving for the Libyan people.

Well, I could agree he's right that "Libya is better off than Syria", which is, d-uh, obvious in a certain way (half a year vs three years of full-blown war), but that's very short-sighted view and somewhat French philosophy so to speak (do not resist Nazies, we'd be better off not resisting). Aside of patriotic sentiments the difference between Libyan and Syrian scenarios is in choice of long-term vs short-term goals as wellLibya is in shambles and de-facto a North-African Somali for years, if not decades to come, and eventually a disaster. Syria is disaster now with hope of political stability eventually and recovery in a few years. Not a single day I believed Obama would have gone to war in Syria. But assuming he'd have and won, the reality would have be more devastating than now -- you could imagine.

So I'd say, help Syria and co and use them against ISIS, they have plenty of experience. But again, that's not realisitc -- that'd strengthen Iran positions in the region tremendously, Saudis would like to object such a plan.



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fighter said:
Sony-For-Life said:
Oh man poor iraqi people :( and if the world don't stop this pieces of shit who doesn't know anything at all about Islam then other Arab countries will be next and maybe my country too :-/


Ideally the arab UN members as well as other muslim majority countries like Indonesia and Iran should participate in the intl. effort

how is the situation being portrayed in Iran ?

Iran can never invade Iraq for the sole reason to defeat the ISIS all we can do at the moment is to send some troops to some city's like Karbala or Najaf to protect the holy shrines of Islam leaders if u know what i mean! Iran is already under the threat of the US and maybe some EU's countries now i dont think if we do anything to help will be welcomed by the US or Israel for example, other Arab conutries u say? no offence to any of Arabian VGChartz members but they are to weak to even protect themselves or to do any good for other countries even if they too are arabs.



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I'm an Assyrian and my people are the ones being directly persecuted here. They label my people the "Iraqi Christians" which people don't seem to realize is we are "Assyrian Christians".. Iraq is not our home. Assyria is our home. Nineveh is our home. What Isis, Iraq, Sunni, Shite, Kurd, America, the world don't seem to understand is we are the world's oldest civilization currently standing at 6764 years old.. and currently we are on the verge of extinction due to thousands of years of persecution. ISIL has committed in the face of the world 100% crimes against humanity. It took Obama well over a month to acknowledge the situation let alone act on it. The Assyrian people have been loyal to western society and even fought and won battles for the British in World War 1. They didn't fulfill the promised land we earned and in turn we had a mass genocide of 800,000 Assyrian people in the Assyrian genocide of 1915. Since than, there has been countless massacres even committed by the so called "friendly Kurds and Iraqis".. When Britain pulled out of the Middle East, 3000 Assyrians were murdered for our co-operation with the westerners. Now with recent events in Iraq since 2003-2010-2014 there has been countless church bombings, murders, rapes, kidnappings and persecution and the world turns a blind eye towards it. My Assyrian people are on the verge of extinction and have nearly all left Iraq. We are the original people of Mesopotamia. We are the creators of law. We are the cradle of civilization. We are not simply "Iraqi Christians", We are Assyrians; and we demand Nineveh Plains under our control and protection. With that we need the world's aid to help us restore our strength and to save our people.



 

It was the main headline on the BBC News this morning. Seems like people are paying attention after all



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Assyrians in Chicago protest:

"We will NOT convert, we will NOT pay the jizya, we will NOT die."

"We don’t just want airstrikes. We need a plan for the future"

"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our Western friends."

"We demand Nineveh Plains, we demand arms to protect ourselves from anymore persecution and genocide."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicagoarea-assyrians-march-against-isis-others-protest-airstrikes-20140808-story.html



 

Assyrian612 said:
I'm an Assyrian and my people are the ones being directly persecuted here. They label my people the "Iraqi Christians" which people don't seem to realize is we are "Assyrian Christians".. Iraq is not our home. Assyria is our home. Nineveh is our home. What Isis, Iraq, Sunni, Shite, Kurd, America, the world don't seem to understand is we are the world's oldest civilization currently standing at 6764 years old.. and currently we are on the verge of extinction due to thousands of years of persecution. ISIL has committed in the face of the world 100% crimes against humanity. It took Obama well over a month to acknowledge the situation let alone act on it. The Assyrian people have been loyal to western society and even fought and won battles for the British in World War 1. They didn't fulfill the promised land we earned and in turn we had a mass genocide of 800,000 Assyrian people in the Assyrian genocide of 1915. Since than, there has been countless massacres even committed by the so called "friendly Kurds and Iraqis".. When Britain pulled out of the Middle East, 3000 Assyrians were murdered for our co-operation with the westerners. Now with recent events in Iraq since 2003-2010-2014 there has been countless church bombings, murders, rapes, kidnappings and persecution and the world turns a blind eye towards it. My Assyrian people are on the verge of extinction and have nearly all left Iraq. We are the original people of Mesopotamia. We are the creators of law. We are the cradle of civilization. We are not simply "Iraqi Christians", We are Assyrians; and we demand Nineveh Plains under our control and protection. With that we need the world's aid to help us restore our strength and to save our people.

I'm sorry for the hardships your people have had to face.  



    

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