Id imagine the thread was breaking Rule 10.

Specifically - "do not create threads, posts or signatures just to bait people of a specific fan group. Bait threads will be locked and you will be moderated for them."

Could probably add the part about spending a lot of time making hit and run, negative posts about a specific platform too.

A Mario being outsold by Farming Sim thread serves no good purpose. Its pointless. Its exremely pointless when its coming from the leaderz of teh ps nationz who makes a lot of negative Wii U posts and/or threads.

On another note.

I really cant wait to see how sales fair after the Holidays are over. ioi, do you have any insider tips/info to share on how you think H1 of 2014

ioi said:

Read the entire thread, there's lots in there about how the data is estimated which should hopefully give you (and others) a much better understanding.

A comment like "for me an error less than 50k is acceptable but over 100k not... it is a big error and needs to be fixed asap" is so pointless and demonstrates your ignorance of the situation - frankly, it doesn't matter what you feel is acceptable or not, it is a case of what is realistic and achievable with the data we have. As a user of the data, you need to understand its limitations and how best to use it. The data is what it is, you have to bend to suit it, it won't bend to suit you I'm afraid.

My take

• 3DS - very similar to Q1 2013.
• PS3 and 360 will be down about 50% YOY.
• Wii, PSP, DS will be down a lot (70%+).
• Wii U should beat last Jan and Feb and will start to pick up once Donkey Kong, Mario Kart etc start to hit. A $50 price drop could easily double hardware sales as well which may come around April / May.
• Xbox One will be pretty steady, probably similar to 360 year 1 / 2. Will pick up in March with Titanfall but drop back afterwards.
• PS4 will be erratic depending on stock until end of Feb when demand should finally be met and it will level off to PS3-like levels from the last couple of years.

I actually expect Wii U to put up a strong showing in April - June, and PS4 / XOne may slow a fair bit depending on new software and when the likes of Watch Dogs, Destiny etc arrive.

Xbox One should take the lead over PS4 in the US around March time and should start to pull out a decent lead but PS4 will dominate in Europe outside of the UK where things will be neck and neck but like I say Wii U shouldn't be too far behind with some strong software and some kind of aggressive pricing / bundling. Look back to the launches of every other piece of hardware in history - year 1 is always a hard one, software is slow to come after the initial launch period and things generally slow right down once the early adoptors are all on board - this is likely what will happen with XOne and PS4 until the holidays arrive. It will take price cuts and / or some big exclusive games to start to bring in the casual crowd and that normally takes 18 months or so after launch.

These are just off the top of my head with very little deep thought, I may have missed some key factors and of course a lot can change in the next few months. It should be a very interesting year.

We discuss this in the other thread, I've yet to come up with a way of physically presenting the numbers as you suggest without it looking horribly messy. Also, how do you decide what order to put things in? The convention of presenting the midpoint of the range of estimates is one that is used by everyone else so I've always been happy following the it.

In all honesty, I think most people understand that it isn't meant to be a precisely measured number but maybe it does need to be made more explicitly clear for those few who don't.

Its gonna be fun watching things unfold.

Grats on the Xbox One tracking btw. Spot on.

X1 hasn't been supply constrained in the US for a long time... (online shops: http://www.zoolert.com/videoconsoles/xbox-one-console/trackers/)

Want to bet on that (bold)? 

Xbox One version being loads better than what? 

Its only an opinion. Ill be wrong or right.

Titanfall on Xbox One will be alot better than 360. An a great time an reason to make the jump if not done so already.  I havent  preordered Titanfall yet. Will do this week I think. Watchdogs will have to wait. But then it will be cheaper down the line. Also sorry Destiny, you can  wait to. Titanfall looks to good.