riecsou said:
ils411 said:
Let us assume that MS shipped as munch as Sony. Sony sold 2.1 M PS4 worlwide compare to 1.5 M Xbox One of MS. So are you saying that demand for Xbox One is near 600 K less compare to PS4???
Maybe this is not that fair let us take the US which is MS strongest territory, 1.25 M PS4 vs 0.94 Xbox One. So are you saying that the demand for Xbox One in his strongest territory near 300 K less than the PS4???
That is of course assuming that the Xbox One is shipping at the same rate with the PS4...
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Yield, production problems... being thrown around a lot it would seem in the time that I haven't been around and honstely, everything I've read about is is plain stupid.
No one can really say that MS is having yield/production issues unless someone who works there comes out and say it.
Also, to clear things up, supply issue is not the same as produciton issues/yield issues
Say MS' factories has a production capacity of 50,000 Xbox One units per day (this came out of my ass by the way). We don't really know what their acceptable yield is but, for the sake of the discussion, lets say that their daily target is 95% with a variance of +-5% of factory capacity, so their acceptable yield/production is 45,000 - 50,000 units. If MS is producing 47,000 - 49,000 units per day, then they are within their standards and therefore they DO NOT have produciton/yield issues.
Production/yield isseues would arrise if they are not able to produce units within their set limits. Say, they have been outputing only 40,000 units/day, then they have issues/problems.
Supply issues on the other hand is, as hopefully everyone here knows, is not being able to meet demand due to MS not being able to produce more units. Say, the demand for Xbox One is 60,000 per day, and since thier produciton capacity is at max only 50,000, then they DO HAVE supply issues.
Also, to address the strategy argument that its stupid for MS not to ship to this and that territory and so on and so forth because they ahve production issues blah blah blah... that argument is plain stupid.
MS has marketing and research teams that have already studied all of the supposed terrirories that they were suppose to release in. With the knowldege that they can only supply so much units, then they have to cut some countries from the launch. Obviously, they would be launching in the countries that they have found, based on their marketing reaserch, will yield the most sales. Frankly, its a good move by MS to only focus their available stocks in the countries where in they know that they will sell well or even sell out of their shipments. It wouldn't make much sense to divi up their available stocks just to include the other countries that they believe will not really gouble their Xbox Ones up. If they did that, then the US and the other countries that really want the Xbox One will have even less stocks and will have even more supply issues while the countries that are just so-so will have stocks liying around not selling.
None of us really know if Sony can make more PS4s as compared to MS and the Xbox One, but one thing is clear. In the countries that both consoles launched respectively, there is very high demand and everything that they ship out is selling out fast.
Now, please quit it with the produciton issues/yield problems equating to supply and demand... since you know, clearly, there is great demand for both and both do not have the supply to address the demand.
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So you think that if MS was having either yield problems or production problem they would come out to say it???
You think that research were not made before when they said they were releasing in 21 countries, and that research were only made when they decided to shrink to 13 countries?
Or the research they made when they decided to release first in 21 countries was bad??
With Sony ahead in pre-orders in both US and UK, MS had no choice to focus on their strongest territories, it's as simple as that. If the Xbox One had released in all 21 countries it would still sell out, it would still have sold 1.5 M but it would be in 21 countries. MS prefered to focus on both US and UK the most for their Xbox One launch (sold 1.1 Xbox out of 1.5 in US+UK )since the PS4 seems to be doing better than them in their strongest territories.
As I am writing this, I can pre-order Xbox One for December 16 on both WallMart and Gamestop.
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As I said, we wont know if they are having problems unless someone who actually knows comes out and say it, which is highly unlikely.
you do know that MS has different departments? there's marketing, reaserch, operations, accounting, etc. each department works along side the others but do not necessarily mean that the are all aligned... ummm... yeah... let me put it this way...so thay you and everyone else can understand...
Marketing: yo! from our studies, these are the countries we need to lauch in first
CEO: hmmm... looks good! how many can we sell?
Marketing: we can sell a gajillion billion units!
CEO: WOOOAAAH!!!! hellz YEAH!! (has meeting with directors)
CEO: hey, board of directors, we gonna lauch in these countries and we gonna sell a gajillion billion xbox ones!! yeah!!
Direcotrs: WOOOOOAAHHH!!!! hellz YEAH!!! So...how much you needz?
CEO: ummm.... yeah... about dat, we need a few billion dollars to....
Directors: WUUUUUTT!!! No fracking way!!! here's half a billion dollars.
CEO: WWWUUUUUUTTT!!!!? but but but...
Directors: no buts fool! take it and goz!!!
CEO: AWWWWWW!!!
CEO: hey, marketing fools, we only gotz half a billion dollarz....
Marketing: WUUUUTTT?!!! AWWWWW!!!!
CEO: re work your research fools!
Marketing: Booooooo!
CEO: Hey, operations/productions monkeys, here's our bundget... what can we do?
Operations: ummm...yeah.. we can maybe put up a factory that can make a few dozen thousands a day....
CEO: WUUUUUTTT?!!! DAMN FRAPERS!!! hey, marketing fools..we can only make this manyzzz. re do your research again...
Marketing: wUUUTTTT!!?? AWWW MAN!!!
yeah....believe it or not, thats how companies/corporations actually work...given that there are stock holders of MS that are pushing for the Xbox brand to be sold or split or whatever from the main company, I'm sure they had to work with what they were given.