It has lol.

These were pretty much the exact numbers I was going to guess! :D The only thing I would change is since I'm currently feeling a little bit pessimistic about Wii U's sales potential (even though I am really beginning to love the system) I'd say it's more likely to wind up around the Gamecube's total of about 20 million. 

And how do you expect that? You looking at the numbers or are you forgeting the fact that the 3DS isnt pushing exorbitantly well in the West?

Are yoru forgetting the fact that the 3DS has a shit ton of software lined up for 2014 either?

Can someone please give me a list of software coming out for 3DS next year?

Dependent on how quickly Nintendo get big games out next year, I think their ability to turn around Wii U will help to define how long 3DS is on the market.

In the scenario that Nintendo can't do much to turn Wii U around, and can't get big games out quickly enough next year, I expect Wii U to top out in the 18 to 25 million range, and 3DS to top out in the 75 to 85 million range. That's because Nintendo's resources (far from infinite and taxed enormously during this recent transition) will be pushed into finding a new way forward for their hardware business, and resources will prematurely be pulled away from 3DS in order to usher in new hardware so that Nintendo can move on more quickly from Wii U.

If Kart and Smash Brothers are out quickly (within the first six months of next year) and peform strongly, and this is matched by Nintendo's ability to regularly provide strong software, then I think Wii U could go as high as 40 to 50 million. In this scenario, with Wii U providing more stable revenue and profit, I don't think Nintendo will feel as heavily pressured to move on, and 3DS will be supported for longer, leading to lifetime sales in the 95 to 115 million range.

From Nintendo themselves there's Kirby, Yoshi's New Island, Mario Golf: World Tour and Super Smash Brothers confirmed globally. Mario Party: Island Tour will be published in Europe, and Nintendo will be publishing Bravely Default: Where The Fairy Flies in North America in 2014. Those titles will be out in North America and Europe respectively before the end of this year. I'm not sure on third party games, but I'm sure Layton vs Phoenix Wright is confirmed, and I'm hoping for a Monster Hunter 4 localisation. I'd also expect Nintendo Direct broadcasts in January and February to give us some more details of what's coming across 3DS and Wii U in 2014.

Ok thanks, I hope more is announced next year tho.

3DS won't beat DS, but it will easily be the 8th gen winner with none of the other consoles coming close (with 'consoles' I mean both home- and portables). In another thread I said 3DS will end up in GameBoy range, and WiiU in NES range. So that's;

3DS: 118.69m
WiiU: 62m

I'll stand by my 3DS prediction, but one could probably cut off 10m from the WiiU one .

The 3DS having sold 36 million in almost three years is still far below the DS, it moved 56 million in three years, the 3DS will be approx 12 million below this on its three year anniversary in February, with an early peak and exponential decline over the next three years, it is completely feasible for my scenario to play out. Or have people already forgotten that the Wii was supposed to gain 50% marketshare and outsell the PS2?

Tablets and phones are already more powerful than any handheld console, this is not the problem, developer efforts and diverse enough userbase is, for now. For the record, I think it's a fairly bad idea to bet on the mobile market, it's just a bubble and will likely cause more trouble than even the 7th, with companies sinking left and right within 4-5 years.

So either the Wii U sells 10 million or 50-60 million? I don't think it's that black & white, 10 million lifetime should happen around the end of 2014/start of 2015, I hardly think it's going to be replaced already then, the last thing Nintendo needs now is another rushed console on the market. It will be replaced sooner than the Wii but not quite that soon.

The lifecycle of the Wii wasn't extremely short but it was incredible irregular for a market leader, it basically went straight into obscurity, basically leaving both 2nd and 3rd places an aopportunity to catch up, this has never happened before and Nintendo were caught with their junk in their hand over this. Paired with an unprofitable 3DS at launch, they rushed the Wii U to the market to try to ressurrect the Wii trademark, so while one can say that the time window for an heir to arrive was not unusual, it was still a rushed and poorly planned project, the slew of hardware and software issues, lack of decent software for a long time, multitude of patches and extreme idiocy of the Basic SKU all but proves this beyond any doubt. I think both Nintendo and their fans assumed that the Wii would enjoy the same curve as the PS3 and 360, this was never going to happen due to a multitude of factors (that is an entirely different discussion though, not relevant to this thread). For a market leader to simply drop off the map and stop selling both software and hardware is not normal, going from outselling two competitors combined to selling less than half of one of them in the span of 2-2.5 years is anything but normal and flew directly in the face of everyone screaming about "historic precedent".

None of what is lined up will come close to MH4 in Japan (the 3DS's biggest region) or Pokemon worldwide. MK and AC are also already out for the system.

And 3DS not pushing exorbitantly well in the west doesn't mean that next year it'll be better. It just means that interest is lower than what it used to be.