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Scoobes said:

That sounds terrible... and I thought the UK education system was bad.

It's bizzare because a lot of the best science research is done in the US, yet your description makes it sound like a miracle that anyone gets educated to degree level.


The high school education varies from state to state.  Some are better than others, but in the end it is the college education in the USA that really gives results.  



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About 50% of americans are below the median level of inteligence for all americans.



MDMAlliance said:

I know this was said a while ago and people haven't really touched it since, I feel the need to point out that (at least in the United States) there are some states that literally have the teachers tell you that you don't have to be in class when they talk about evolution.  That if you are a creationist, you can skip that class (like in my state of South Carolina, this was the case).  So it is ignorant of anyone here to think that just because you went through public school up until 12th grade that you would know what evolution is. There are, indeed, places in the "great USA" that actually allows you to remain ignorant of evolution.  

In fact, our entire education system in the USA allows higher levels of ignorance due to the fact that it's too easy to graduate high school.  I literally did only a few of my homework assignments throughout my entire middle and high school career.  I goofed off in class every single day and pissed off the teachers all the time because the classes were that easy and I had nothing to do but wait around.  It is also that same reason that there are MANY people who don't try at all.  Those who don't listen or anything and disrespect everyone (and it has also become part of our culture here).

Not too long ago, I was talking to someone who literally thinks that the academic curriculum is a fraud and that the government tells us X and Y, that you can't trust science and only trust what you see yourself... yet goes on to say that the government is involved with 9/11, the drug war, the crash of the economy, and everything and that we are slaves to the government.  

That´s too bad, I know that it has become a stereo type to imagine the american schoolsystem as poor, but I don´t trust this "kommon knowledge" usually.

I don´t wear lederhosen every day, hate beer and like a good joke (I´m German)...

...but I think that there are things everyone needs to learn in this modern age, English is one of them...and the fundamentals of evolution belong in the same category

...I can´t belive that there are people out there who literally put their head in the sand and ignore every hint/evidence in the favour of the evolution to...live in fantasy lalelu Jurassic Park-land !



I a have been studying this supposed 'evidence' for evolution and I all see are ad hoc explanation, conjectures, imaginary scenarios, huge explanatory gaps, failed predictions and contradictions.

That said, extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. If evolutionists want to make a strong, convincing case for their 'goo to you by the way of the zoo' story then they should produce observational evidence a fish evolving to an amphibian or a fruitlfy evolving into something else or a reptile evolving wings. That's hard science. That would be scientific.




It's funny how of skeptics believe seeing in believing yet they tend to believe they evolved from goo by the way of the zoo when they never observed any creatures evolve on the macro level.

Indeed evolution is a fairy tale for grown ups.



OooSnap said:
I a have been studying this supposed 'evidence' for evolution and I all see are ad hoc explanation, conjectures, imaginary scenarios, huge explanatory gaps, failed predictions and contradictions.

That said, extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. If evolutionists want to make a strong, convincing case for their 'goo to you by the way of the zoo' story then they should produce observational evidence a fish evolving to an amphibian or a fruitlfy evolving into something else or a reptile evolving wings. That's hard science. That would be scientific.




It's funny how of skeptics believe seeing in believing yet they tend to believe they evolved from goo by the way of the zoo when they never observed any creatures evolve on the macro level.

Indeed evolution is a fairy tale for grown ups.





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OooSnap said:
I a have been studying this supposed 'evidence' for evolution and I all see are ad hoc explanation, conjectures, imaginary scenarios, huge explanatory gaps, failed predictions and contradictions.

That said, extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. If evolutionists want to make a strong, convincing case for their 'goo to you by the way of the zoo' story then they should produce observational evidence a fish evolving to an amphibian or a fruitlfy evolving into something else or a reptile evolving wings. That's hard science. That would be scientific.




It's funny how of skeptics believe seeing in believing yet they tend to believe they evolved from goo by the way of the zoo when they never observed any creatures evolve on the macro level.

Indeed evolution is a fairy tale for grown ups.

I won´t be able to change your opinion on this subject, you already  made up your mind.

The evolution theory/natural selection/survival of the fittest is 100% based on logic, everything (!) points in the direction wheather you are looking at the genetical evidence (countless and countless examples like mitochondria originating from normal prokaryotes) or at morphological appearence (rudaments like the coccyx being the stunted leftover of a "monkey`s" tail)

 

@the bold: Do you even understand what you are demanding ? Evolution is a process that requires thousand and thousands of years, you can´t just inject something into a reptile and it turns into a bird ! What you can do: You can look at it´s DNA and compare it to other animal-species to see how how long ago (relatively speaking) they seperated from each other, you can look for "missing links" like the Archeopteryx that perfectly show characteristics of the later existing species (birds) and the species that came before (Dinosaurs/Reptiles)

....there is absolutely no basis to pretend that Dinosaurs lived together with men in the stone age.

If you would have studied the subject, you would have come to the conclusion that there is no other way live could be as it is today

I´m a biology student btw. and those half harted citations don´t  change anything !

There were no Dinosaur riding cave men !



OooSnap said:
I a have been studying this supposed 'evidence' for evolution and I all see are ad hoc explanation, conjectures, imaginary scenarios, huge explanatory gaps, failed predictions and contradictions.

That said, extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence. If evolutionists want to make a strong, convincing case for their 'goo to you by the way of the zoo' story then they should produce observational evidence a fish evolving to an amphibian or a fruitlfy evolving into something else or a reptile evolving wings. That's hard science. That would be scientific.

It's cute that you think yourself qualified to judge what is and isn't scientific.  But why do you bother posting here if you refuse to address anything anyone else says in response?  Or did you just miss my earlier posts? 

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@ OooSnap:
Before I respond, don't you have anything to say about my earlier response regarding the eye? If all you're going to do is copy/paste "evidence against evolution" from the Discovery Institute or whatever, and ignore all replies, then I would rather not waste my time.

That guy is in no way a biologist. I'm sure he's a great chemist but his skepticism is not much more convincing than an expert mechanic's.

As for the Dissent list, which has accrued a certain amount of infamy, "Robert T. Pennock notes that rather than being a "broad dissent", the statement's wording is "very narrow, omitting any mention of the evolutionary thesis of common descent, human evolution or any of the elements of evolutionary theory except for the Darwinian mechanism, and even that was mentioned in a very limited and rather vague manner."" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Scientific_Dissent_From_Darwinism#Responses
(Also, a lot of the people on that list are not actual scientists, and have you heard of Project Steve?)

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MDMAlliance said:

That video is so awesome.  I somehow never saw that episode and I am very glad I know of it now. 



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Final, I don't consider an ad hoc explanation, or a just-so story, or speculation scientifuc. Can you reproduce such a scenario? Can you produce observational evidence? Can it be tested?

Show me the hard scientific evidence.

It's interesting that the standards of the scientific method drop considerably low when it comes to evolution.

"Evolution takes a long time so we are unable to see it".. Riiiiight.

You are free to believe it but don't ever say it qualifies as hard science.

Richard Dawkins once said evolution has never been observed while it is happening. I'm serious, you can Google it. Let's just call evolution what it is which is a belief not based on hard science.



Max King of the Wild said:
I read the graph as 78% believe in it.

Also, who said its a problem? Because it hardly is

This is just my opinion


 How many wars? How many deaths? Prayer only allows people to feel good about doing nothing. Sorry but religion gives false hope, false fears and can turn a moral man into a murderer in the name of god (911, Crusades).  If people cherished this life more then the after life, then maybe we wouldn't have so much death and destruction in the name of god.

However religion is being proved wrong everysingle day. it doesn't make logically sense and if you have ever read it, Like i have, this comes true very quickly. Most religions pick the chapters they like and ignore the rest.

Also Christianity stole everything from paganism, including jesus, Which was stolen from the pagan virgin born Mithra.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/mithra.htm

"Both Mithras and Christ were described variously as 'the Way,' 'the Truth,' 'the Light,' 'the Life,' 'the Word,' 'the Son of God,' 'the Good Shepherd.' The Christian litany to Jesus could easily be an allegorical litany to the sun-god. Mithras is often represented as carrying a lamb on his shoulders, just as Jesus is. Midnight services were found in both religions. The virgin mother...was easily merged with the virgin mother Mary. Petra, the sacred rock of Mithraism, became Peter, the foundation of the Christian Church."

Gerald Berry, Religions of the World

"Mithra or Mitra is...worshipped as Itu (Mitra-Mitu-Itu) in every house of the Hindus in India. Itu (derivative of Mitu or Mitra) is considered as the Vegetation-deity. This Mithra or Mitra (Sun-God) is believed to be a Mediator between God and man, between the Sky and the Earth. It is said that Mithra or [the] Sun took birth in the Cave on December 25th. It is also the belief of the Christian world that Mithra or the Sun-God was born of [a] Virgin. He travelled far and wide. He has twelve satellites, which are taken as the Sun's disciples.... [The Sun's] great festivals are observed in the Winter Solstice and the Vernal EquinoxChristmas and Easter. His symbol is the Lamb...."

Swami Prajnanananda, Christ the Saviour and Christ Myth

Because of its evident relationship to Christianity, special attention needs to be paid to the Persian/Roman religion of Mithraism. The worship of the Indo-Persian god Mithra dates back centuries to millennia preceding the common era. The god is found as "Mitra" in the Indian Vedic religion, which is over 3,500 years old, by conservative estimates. When the Iranians separated from their Indian brethren, Mitra became known as "Mithra" or "Mihr," as he is also called in Persian.