SvennoJ said:
We did that back in the 80s, waiting for the bombs to fall while acid rain was destroying the forests. We're still here, but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger should be what doesn't kill you makes you more complacent... Humanity has been bombarded with existential threats for many decades, WW3, ozone layer, asbestos, mad cow disease, y2k, dot com bubble, peak oil, solar storms knocking out the power grid, global warming. So now you're regarded as "the boy who cried wolf" by the majority. Not that those were all false alarms, far from it, but that's how people interpret it when they don't die... Humanities downfall will be that hazards are only addressed after a tragedy occurs. One day that tragedy will be too big to recover from. Climate change might be it, going slow and irregular enough to be mostly ignored, yet irreversible with today's technology. |
Feels like the world could end any day now.
Chrkeller said:
The number of times you call for violence, either directly against forum members or indirectly, is concerning. |
When I call for violence on forum members I'm just playing into a personal I made years ago.
When I call for violence against real world scumbags I'm serious, because historically violence was how real evil was stopped. Look at Gadhafi or Mussolini. Negotiating didn't stop them, vigilante justice did.
Mnementh said:
Despite what people tell about past generations, they did solve quite a few problems. SvennoJ names a few of them, but they didn't solve themself, people did something. Not blowing up stuff, but getting into negotiations and drafting international contracts. None of that was easy. But it was the way to go. For instance, the about the ozone layer the Montreal Protocol was made to ban FCKW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol It wasn't easy, but that is the point. All these problems: ozone layer, acid rain, the threat of nuclear destruction — all of that were complicated and quite difficult problems to solve. There is also another way, or more one complementing the international treaties: scientific and technical progress. Acid rain was stopped by more sophisticated filters for both factories and cars. The governments then mandated their use, but they had to be created first. Same with climate change: people had first to develop wind power and solar power into a usable state, now government regulation like the german renewable energy sources act and the european green deal are possible, because first the technical progress made renewable energies available and practical. And the success is visible: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?country=~OWID_EUR So negotiate or invent. And yes, both ways take a long time and are difficult. That is life. |
But it feels like we're out of time to negotiate, and the rich elite are too powerful to be defeated with nonviolence. -_-
