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Chrkeller said:
BraLoD said:

I think the PS5 being $600 is a ship that has already sailed at this point.

Even as I personally expect things to be considerably better by late 2028, I would still expect a $700 price at beast.

Anything above that is way more likely right now, but it's also too pricey for it to have hopes of being a 80M+ seller.

This is where I think gamers need to revolt, honestly.  Gamers should never have accepted paying for online, MTX, classic games behind subscriptions, etc.

My point being, if gamers accept expensive hardware, even if prices drop, MS/Sony/Nintendo will not drop prices.  I love gaming but hope hardware tanks hard, like really hard, and gamers make it clear they are not paying an arm/leg for hardware.  None of these companies are hurting for money, it is greed. 

At the end of the day corporations will keep pushing until consumers pushback.  Just look at how quickly Sony dropped the price of the ps3 and Nintendo dropped the price of the 3DS.

Worse case, I will stick with my rig and play my Steam games and enjoy emulation.  I am tired of controller, hardware, game, etc. costs.   

I do agree companies need consumer pushback otherwise they'll only keep making things worse, that's how profit works.

I also think it needs to be reasonable, if the PS6 is a hardware that costs than like $780 to build, and they sell it for $700, the pushback should not be the price, but the product, if people are being priced out.

PS3 is a bad example IMO, Sony lost SO MUCH money with it trying to keep the price down, I remember reading they were once losing nearly $200 each time they sold a PS3, that is not a good business and the entire company suffered massively from those losses.

Sony made revisions to the PS3 and managed to get the Slim decently priced, so yes consumer pushback did work to make them move, but it was not the case of wanting big profits on hardware despite what they could, they just had a very expensive to make product.

IMO the PS6 would inevitably be more expensive than the PS5 because it is just how diminishing returns work, if we want considerably more power, nowdays there is not that much room to achieve it other than making the product more expensive in the end, which was not nearly as big of a problem in the 90s or 2000s.

What matters is reach a good point between tech good enough to warranty its existence for another 8 years, and how to make it still have a reasonable price.

I think the PS+ situation is far, far worse than the entry price for the system in the last years before this AI bubble situation, it more than tripled around here in Brazil since the PS4 days back in 2013, that has no actual justification other that getting as much money as they possibly can, so I do really agree on that front.

I think MTX is a whole other problem but that it really just doesn't have much to do with that subject right now, to me expanding games, for a decent price, and when it doesn't feel like it's adding previously content cut for extra profit, is fine. And cosmetic optional stuff is up for everyone to decide for itself it is really matters or not, tho. Aside from that, it is a massive problem but which I honestly think was way worse before, now it has many other forms like lootboxes and such, that are a way bigger issue.