| sc94597 said: I'd just like to reiterate that his premise is just wrong, unless he is talking about his freedom as an ethnically English man in what was then a super-power global empire. The governments in so-called liberal democracies in the first half of the 20th century were literally sterilizing substantial proportions of their populations for a variety of non-violent existential reasons. Again, Turing is a prominent example. No infringement of freedoms today by the same liberal democracies is anywhere close to that. I could see an argument that maybe much of the west declined in freedom since the 1970-1990s, but before then? Really? Anyway, looking up his views he seems to be an old school center-right conservative who is probably disappointed that Britain voluntarily gave up its empire more or less. Probably doesn't see the far-right favorably, but also likely thinks the left is worse. |
Sorry, what is with this Turing-strawmen? Let me remind you, Turings chemical castration was forced by the *british* government *after* World War II. A non-fascist regime. So why are you applying Turing here, if his sacrifices have literally not changed the outcome as otherwise Turing wouldn't have happened.
And you pick very specific freedoms. There are lots of freedoms infringed today. Big global companies have knowledge over your life that Hitler only could've dreamed of. They are controlling your life by selecting what videos you watch, what items you most likely pick in an online shop. They are using that knowledge and power mostly for advertisment, but the Snowden leaks already revealed that governments can and will access that knowledge about you and the power over you. A Hitler today would it have much, much easier, as we have given up a lot of freedoms to corporate interest. And we haven't won much in other regards: we still have homeless, we still have people uselessly dying avoidable deaths, in the US even just of bureacracy with health care.
Let me remind you: Hitler was elected in democratic elections. Just like Trump. So, viewing from his eyes: what did his buddies die for?
Let's stop shitting over an old man that endured and sacrificed so much more than me and you can even imagine. If nothing else he at least has earned to be listened to. And not shit over because you *think* his opinion *might* damage whatever your political stance is. He deserves this respect.
