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Shaunodon said:
Machiavellian said:

So can you sum up what you are trying to say.  Are saying that currently people are saying far-right or people who consider themselves far right are being dehumanize as being violent.  Or are you saying people are labeling Charlie Kirk as far right and that is not true and thus dehumanizing him.  

I don't know if Charlie Kirk considered himself far-right. You only have to look what's happening in the world to see how many people either agree or sympathise with him. Many people who share almost no opinions with him, still believe he was reasonable and civil. But almost everyone here seems to truly believe he was a far-right, extremist, fascist or Nazi. They have aligned all of those definitions to be practically synonymous.

If they believe everyone who agrees with Charlie Kirk is a fascist or a Nazi, where exactly do you think that's leading?

Yes, while there are some people who believe Charlie Kirk is alt right and even some may consider how he debated gave the impression of Nazi rhetoric, that isn't everyone.  The thing is especially myself, I am always willing to hear a counterpoint so if you disagreed with those assessments of Charlie Kirk than feel free to share your opinion.  I personally feel that Kirk used dog whistle references to target a specific group.  Case in point DEI.

The argument from Kirk was that DEI allowed people who were unqualified to take jobs from qualified individuals.  Now if you listened to his debate on this subject he used black people to make his point which mind you he has used black people to make his point on a lot of subjects.  When he was discussing Airline pilots after an incidents that occurred, his examples used black people even though the incident had no black pilot.  Now at no time has there ever been stated that DEI means that someone who was hired because of it did not have to take the same exams and qualifications as anyone else.  If there were a threshold that all needed to pass in order to be a pilot than everyone had to pass at that threshold.  Charlie never made these distinctions and his words on the subject gave the impression that DEI only applied to black people when it was shone the group that benefited the most from DEI were white woman and Black people were at the bottom of the list.

So my point here is if Kirk really was someone who research and studied the things he talked about he would know these numbers.  Instead he framed his argument along racial lines and used black people as his examples because they are the target community for alt right believing Black People are obtaining jobs over them without the qualifications needed to do that job.  Remember he also made the same statements about black woman he felt were unfit stealing jobs from white person.  These statements if Kirk was truly a Christian as he says doesn't fit with the faith and move more towards alt right and that group who feel any black person doesn't have the processing power to command a position of high intelligence. 

So to sum up my point, when talking what he has said, why does it not appeal to a particular group who also have the same sentiments.