[Variety] Disney's Boy Trouble: Corp seeking ways to win back young men

[EricHiggin]

bdbdbd said:

the-pi-guy said:

I think it's kind of oversimplistic to assume that this is why. 

Even if we 100% assume that it's true that women and men generally prefer different things, that doesn't mean that other things correlate that way. 

If we assume that women tend to prefer socializing, and men prefer computer work. That doesn't mean that those correlations carry to jobs, because a lot of jobs require both. 

Men and women might tend to prefer different aspects of something, but that doesn't necessarily mean that women/men overall likes that something more than the other.  

Computer jobs used to be considered women's work, and it was dominated by women. It was considered secretarial work. At some point that changed, and it's not so much because the job changed or that people changed, but because the culture changed. There was a different perspective on it. 

It's not that everyone would choose so, it's that when a group of men and a group of women are to choose between two options, more women choose one over the other and more men choose the opposite.

Most often the different preferences carry to different jobs, the correlation is higher the more you get to choose. 

Correct.

Nobody says the sky is white even though there's clouds. Even if there's a ton of clouds on a very sunny yet very cloudy day, nobody says the sky is white, they say it's blue. That's because the majority of the time the sky looks more blue than white. That doesn't mean nobody see's white when they look up and see clouds.

bdbdbd said:

EricHiggin said:

There's another clip I can't find from him (maybe he was on someone else's podcast at the time) where Jordan talks about studies where they take very young infants, young enough that they can't be trained or really have any bias yet, and are put in a room with boys and girls toys and they simply watch to see who picks what, trying different variations of this with different locations and toys and toy placements. It was something very high, like 95% of the time, the boys picked the boy toys and the girls picked the girl toys.

Knowing these things, it's not hard to see why men pick certain roles and why woman pick others, and also why we as a society tend to prefer men and woman in certain roles. There are things that men and woman tend to be more interested in or better at, and we as a society like to be catered to with as much ease as is possible.

It's why as to the housework/chores point, society see's that as more of a woman's role. While "stuff" or "things" have to be done in order to accomplish housework, the men aren't as interested and don't really care about the end result so much which is people. Where as the woman cares much more about the people who will benefit from the chores, which is why the housework they do tends to be done much better and is more appreciated. Same reason why you probably want a female or gay male interior decorator. Hiring a straight man would more likely leave your house feeling empty and dull.

None of this is to say however, that men or woman have to do certain things. Everyone has a choice for the most part, as to what you want to do, who you want to hire, or simply how to divvy up tasks.

Straight men should learn a lot from gay men, but in reality style is about being expensive. You can buy the most horrible curtains you've ever seen in your life as long as they're from a premium brand. You need a good taste only when you're buying off-brand. But when you do, buy what's the same colour with the branded ones you have.

I think a lot of the problems is because of women typically buying all the household stuff so men don't know what they cost and what brands are respected.

Then again, there's also a problem where men are primary engineers and architects and women primary users of household appliances and kitchens and utility rooms, so you end up with very impractical solutions. Yes, they use expensive floor space effectively, but you end up with space that's not easy to use.

I'm currently designing my apt. for renovation and thinking of all these questions that why are there so many shelves in closets nobody can reach? Why can't you reach top shelf in the kitchen? Where can I dry my kids' clothes and sheets during the winter? Why do I have so many corners in my kitchen that are hard to reach and clean that aren't used in any effective way? The way I see it, is that they're just engineering problems.

Some things aren't easy to learn. Some are extremely difficult. Some would almost seem to be impossible to learn and do well and that its really and truly something special that a tiny minority or rare few can do.

Men and woman like what they like. If a guy doesn't care about kitchen stuff he's likely not going to put much effort into doing a good job unless there's some other pressure or large enough incentive for him to care.

This is why many business have different types of people working for them. Not just men and woman, but job types. The more specialized people you can bring in, the more robust your overall product can be because more thought and care can be put into the product.

There's many possible reasons for the problems. Sometimes as simple as not enough money in the budget to do things right, or a healthy budget but too much greed by the contractor. Both of which could've been decided by a man or woman, but more likely a man in your case probably.