Pemalite said:
Soundwave said:
If Nintendo wanted to sell a $900 Switch 2, they could likely easily compete with a ROG Ally X and then some but there is not much of a market because the supposed "tech heads" in gaming are actually a tiny group of little nerds that can't afford to buy things like that, so it's a non-market basically. They make a lot of noise on the internet but in reality they're a tiny group of people.
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Correct. And no one has said otherwise, Nintendo has access to the same mobile technology as any other PC OEM, so it goes without saying they COULD if they wanted, build a device that could compete on specs... But they didn't.
The market for devices with a higher performance ceiling than the Switch 2 is actually significant.
It's what the Xbox Series X, Playstation 5, Playstation 5 Pro and PC sell themselves on with 150~ million or more devices.
Soundwave said:
The Switch 2 obliterates the Switch 1 even undocked too, lets get real here. The Switch 2 is obviously better. Cyberpunk 2077 looks better than any Switch 1 game, I don't care if you run Switch 1 games on a 5000 dollar micro LED panel that is superior to OLED. The general public is loving the Switch 2 and for good reason ... it's pretty darn nice piece of hardware especially for that price point. Even Digital Foundry admits the hardware is quite good.
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The Switch 2 has more performance than the Switch 1.
But if you value battery life and a high-quality screen, then it's a no-brainer to keep a Switch OLED around.
And I personally do still prefer my Switch OLED, especially as the Switch 1 has some of my favorite games on the console which absolutely look stunning on the OLED panel.
Plus I travel on planes a lot and the Switch 2 battery life isn't up for the task, it's a terrible handheld for that.
If you care about the visuals... Which I assume is super important to you, hence the mention of Cyberpunk 2077... Then obviously you would play it on another device where it looks better.
Digital Foundry also openly admits the screen on the Switch 2 is rather bad.
Soundwave said:
Nintendo will offer a OLED Switch 2 most likely in a couple of years for $600 and then you'll have some group of babies crying about that price too and how they can't afford it. Like Nintendo needs to be a socialist grow-op that gives away goods for charity cases apparently.
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I hope so. I genuinely do. The terrible screen on the Switch 2 is the only reason I didn't bother selling my Switch OLED.
I don't personally care about the price, I do care about the quality of the hardware and the display quality is the biggest let down with the Switch 2, next to the poor battery life... But there is only so much Nintendo could do there with a crappy 8nm Samsung built chip.
Those issues will be resolved with an update to the console in a few years, so until then... I will likely stick to docked mode only with my Switch 2 console.
Soundwave said:
The people who think they're entitled to the world for $400 or so are going to be in for a reality check in the coming years also.
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Let's not make excuses for billion dollar companies.
We are consumers, we should always expect better so we can get more for our dollar.
Soundwave said:
For one they don't understand inflation (or any economics reality really) but secondly the era of massive subsidization of game hardware is over.
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This is not the consumers problem.
Keep in mind that the Switch 2 is the Switch 1 successor, so it stands to reason it should be able to exceed the original Switch console in every aspect... But it simply doesn't.
Soundwave said:
Even Microsoft and Sony are not doing it much anymore either. PS5 Pro is expensive as hell. $400 doesn't get you shit anymore, what Nintendo is bringing to the table here for $450 is quite solid and not really matched by any other device in 2025.
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The higher prices sucks. For all platforms.
Let's not make excuses for billion dollar companies, that doesn't help the consumer in the slightest.
Soundwave said:
Certainly not size wise either, all of those other janky ass PC handhelds are like 2-3x the thickness, might as well carry a brick around in your coat pocket.
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Those PC handhelds are doing a lot more than the Switch.
And let's be honest, the Switch 2 isn't exactly a "pocketable" device either, making that point superfluous... But if portability is your concern, then it's even MORE of an excuse to keep a Switch OLED around as it's even more "pocketable" than a Switch 2.
Essentially any argument you put forth about buying a Switch 2 over the Rog Ally X... Can be the same excuse of buying a Switch OLED over a Switch 2.
Price: Switch OLED > Switch 2 > Rog Ally X.
Size: Switch OLED > Switch 2 > Rog Ally X.
Battery Life: Switch OLED > Switch 2 =/= Rog Ally X.
Soundwave said:
They'd need to be on a 2nm or 3nm process to match the Switch 2's thickness which would make them even more expensive by a significant amount.
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That is false, the Switch 2 doesn't need to be built at 2nm or 3nm, we need to remember how far behind Samsung is relative to TSMC.
Remember, Samsungs 8nm process is actually based on Samsungs 10nm process, even using TSMC's 7nm process would have provided significant performance and power saving improvements for the Tegra chip.
Even TSMC's 10nm process is better than Samsung 8nm process.
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1.) I travel constantly for work, buh bye Switch OLED. After about 35 minutes of Mario Kart World (which looks great on the Switch 2 screen) was enough. Switch 1 is very long in the tooth and the difference in hardware is immediately evident and it's only going to get more evident, a display is not going to save that. I don't care if you slap a micro LED that's 100x the cost of an OLED onto a Switch 1. I know some people are going to desperately now try to push this "the screen isn't good!" narrative hard, but it's not going to work with the general gaming audience. I've played enough with the screen and the display is more than fine, the colors are bright and vivid and the screen size is very nice. That jump to 8 inches makes bigger scale games feel more epic.
2.) The battery life on the Switch 2 is fine, it has no business actually having this battery life, Nintendo did some terrific customization on the chip side along with Nvidia, but really what janky ass planes these days don't have a USB power output (if not full blown power outlet)? The top USB Type C port makes charging the Switch 2 while played on a plane a breeze whereas Switch 1 was a pain in the ass.
3.) I've never seen a Steam Deck or ROG Ally in public actually owned by an actual human person ever, and as I said I travel constantly, am in airports, etc. etc. I see the Switch constantly, I even had a airport security person remark about my Zelda limited edition Switch one time (lol). I think a big reason for this is the PC handhelds are not very portable friendly, being as thick as fat ass brick is a problem for these devices, no one wants to carry that shit around.
4.) A ROG Ally X is NINE HUNDRED Dollars, lol. NINE HUNDRED. That's not a small difference. 900 is also consequently probably the sales number of the device, lmao.
5.) Well that's the thing at 8nm, the Switch 2 is significantly smaller and thinner than a Steam Deck or regular ROG Ally, while producing better/similar performance at a fraction of the power needed too. That's impressive, even Digital Foundry says so. For a Steam Deck to be as thin as a Switch 2, it would have to be on a much better process than what they are on now, they can't even match up even though the Switch 2 is at 8nm and Steam Deck is what? 5nm or 6nm? lol, that's not an impressive plus for the PC handheld side.
