RedKingXIII said:
Soundwave said:
If you want to be technical we don't have any proof that the PS2 ever sold 160 million either.Â
Production number isn't a sales number, that includes who knows how many PS2s that were used for promotional purposes, store kiosks, demo units, refurbed units, etc. etc. Why doesn't Sony just give an actual legitimate sell through number? Take a guess why they won't.Â
Like it or not, the Switch and DS have a much higher sales per year average than the PS2 did, which indicates they were actually significantly more popular (by sales) too during their product cycle head to head ... you can't have that shit both ways and say "well you can't make that argument". It's a factual argument. PS2 sold significantly less per year averaged over its life span than the Switch and DS did. If PS2 was really "more popular" how exactly is that the case?Â
Switch didn't just beat the PS2 to 150 mill either, this isn't like it was a close, tight race where the Switch edged it out. The Switch took the PS2 and wiped its ass with it. It beat the PS2 to 150 million by almost 3 years faster. LOL, that's not a race, that's a rout. A blow out. Like what's the argument here? That this is even close? It's not even close. It's totally like watching a boxing match where one guy is getting completely caved in and gets saved by the bell and judges.Â
If people want to get mad and say "well you shouldn't point that out!", sorry but it's pretty blatantly obvious when you look at the actual data. If PS2 was remotely close to the Switch in sales popularity it should have hit 150 million around year 8 like the Switch did, not year freaking 11 (lol). The truth is at about the same age the Switch is now the PS2 had just passed 120 million sold (7 years 6 months old at that point give or take). The Switch passed 151 million at 7 years 11 months.Â
Like how is it no one points out this isn't even remotely close? The Switch is beating the snot out of the PS2, 30+ million ahead after just under 8 years on market for both (so certainly not a small sample size), the only reason this isn't going to finish in a bloodbath rout is because Nintendo will prematurely put an ending to the ass whupping. Â
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"The Switch and DS sold more on average than the PS2!"
Sure. But both didn't reach the 160m milestone. I'm not sure why that's relevant or how it makes the PS2 record less impressive honestly. The Wii had bigger peak years than the PS4 and PS5 and both will end up selling more than the Wii. Why should it matter?
"But the 160m is fake!"
No it isn't... the idea that Sony, a public traded company is lying should just die already. It's console warriors nonsense.
If you want to be technical about it take a million from the production number (for refurbs, kiosks and all of that). Even then, the Switch didn't sell 159.63m yet and the DS never came close.
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It's not just a vague average and like "oh yeah the Switch had a couple of peak years better than the PS2 but otherwise the PS2 was more popular".
No the Switch has kicked the PS2's ass every year for basically 8 straight years now. It has a massive 20+ million unit lead over the PS2 launch aligned. The PS2 is not even close. For the important years of even the PS2's lifespan (can you even name a significant PS2 game released after 2008?) it's been dominated in sales by the Switch.
So lets state that for the record and not get that twisted, this isn't really even a race, it's a *blow out* for the Switch right now, the PS2 was never, ever even close to this popular from 2000-2009 when basically all of its major games were released and the majority of its product cycle.
The only reason Switch may not get to 160 is only because Nintendo is going to force that platform into premature retirement because they want to sell the successor system (same exact thing that happened with the Nintendo DS, which also could have easily surpassed 160). Everyone and their grandma knows full damn well Nintendo could drop the Switch 1 to $200-$250 and let it sell for another 3-4 years it and would easily surpass 160 million and probably even 170 million. Who here is even going to debate that?
So what are we even talking about? Like I feel like this needs to be stated in blunt terms, because people act like this is some kind of neck and neck when it really is not. This is really hilariously badly characterized.
The Switch has completely thrashed the PS2 for 8 full years now and the only reason it may not hit 160 is because Nintendo is calling off the dogs, not because it couldn't do so if given the chance, not even because there isn't demand. I think most anyone would agree the Switch 1 could easily sell 3-4 million units/year for a few more years past 2026 if Nintendo was willing to give the system a proper "budget price senior platform phase" where it gets to sell for say $200-$250 for a few more years. That's why I don't really consider the PS2 the king of anything, it's been beaten and beaten badly in sales year after year for almost an entire decade by other systems. Head to head the Switch has beaten the PS2 badly. If you're actually the legit no.1, the PS2 should not be that far behind and shouldn't actually be behind after 8 years at all. How are you supposedly "more popular" while you're also more than 20+ million units behind after what is a full generation cycle of time (I think we would all agree about 8 full years of a sample size is full generation's worth of time), lol.
Last edited by Soundwave - on 12 May 2025
