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Soundwave on 12 May 2025
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RedKingXIII said:
Soundwave said:

The PS2 is a paper champion anyway, it doesn't deserve the title it has. The only reason is has the record is because Sony bungled the PS3 and kept shipping PS2s in developing countries for years afterwards.

If Nintendo did the same thing with Switch or DS, they would easily be no.1, the PS2 needed several extra years of sales to get to 160.

Nintendo could have easily sold 165 million DS' and could do the same for the Switch, the PS3 being a terrible launch isn't something Sony should be proud of.

It took PS2 11 years to hit 150 million (Feb 14, 2011 according to Sony), the DS and Switch are both way above that, the PS2 isn't able to match prime for prime DS or Switch 1 sales, that's simply a fact, it needed to be dragged across the finish line with several extra years of sales. The Switch hit 150 million at its 8th year anniversary, 8 years vs 11 years is a laughable gap, that's not even close. 

"It doesn't deserve it", says who, you? It's one of the most beloved consoles ever made with one of the best gaming libraries of all time. It absolutely deserves the title it has.

You can argue all day about made up scenarios of what Nintendo didn't do with the DS or what they're going to do with the Switch, but none of that is relevant. The DS felt short of the 160m milestone. The Switch is not there yet. Like it or not, the PS2 is still the best selling console ever made, and deservedly so. 

If you want to be technical we don't have any proof that the PS2 ever sold 160 million either. 

Production number isn't a sales number, that includes who knows how many PS2s that were used for promotional purposes, store kiosks, demo units, refurbed units, etc. etc. Why doesn't Sony just give an actual legitimate sell through number? Take a guess why they won't. 

Like it or not, the Switch and DS have a much higher sales per year average than the PS2 did, which indicates they were actually significantly more popular (by sales) too during their product cycle head to head ... you can't have that shit both ways and say "well you can't make that argument". It's a factual argument. PS2 sold significantly less per year averaged over its life span than the Switch and DS did. If PS2 was really "more popular" how exactly is that the case? 

Switch didn't just beat the PS2 to 150 mill either, this isn't like it was a close, tight race where the Switch edged it out. The Switch took the PS2 and wiped its ass with it. It beat the PS2 to 150 million by almost 3 years faster. LOL, that's not a race, that's a rout. A blow out. Like what's the argument here? That this is even close? It's not even close. It's totally like watching a boxing match where one guy is getting completely caved in and gets saved by the bell and judges. 

If people want to get mad and say "well you shouldn't point that out!", sorry but it's pretty blatantly obvious when you look at the actual data. If PS2 was remotely close to the Switch in sales popularity it should have hit 150 million around year 8 like the Switch did, not year freaking 11 (lol). The truth is at about the same age the Switch is now the PS2 had just passed 120 million sold (7 years 6 months old at that point give or take). The Switch passed 151 million at 7 years 11 months. 

Like how is it no one points out this isn't even remotely close? The Switch is beating the snot out of the PS2, 30+ million ahead after just under 8 years on market for both (so certainly not a small sample size), the only reason this isn't going to finish in a bloodbath rout is because Nintendo will prematurely put an ending to the ass whupping.  

Last edited by Soundwave - on 12 May 2025