BasilZero said:
You dont do research or look up something before buying? Like watching a review? Especially in this day and age in gaming lol. "I haven't cared enough to do enough homework to decide if I want to spend money and time on these games" Already answered this question. I always do research and look up something before buying. I said that I haven't cared enough to do the research for the Atelier games. More work than I've been in the mood for. As far as the Atelier series goes, you can start with any of the games in their sub series and just play the games in the sub series to follow the story in that specific sub series - most of the games have been remade and available across the modern platforms. -Salburg (Marie, Elie, Lilie) -Gramand (Judie, Viorate) -Iris (Iris 1, 2 and 3) -Mana (Mana Khemia, Mana Khemia 2) -Arland (Rorona, Totori, Meruru, Lulua) -Dusk (Ayesha, Escha, Shallie) -Mysterious (Sophie, Firis, Lydie, Sophie 2) -Secret (Ryza 1, Ryza 2, Ryza 3) -Resleriana (Forgotten Alchemy, The Red Alchemist, Yumia (new game coming)) I'm starting with Ryza (Secret) because apparently its a good one to get into as a beginner because it doesnt have a time limit like the games that came prior to it. I just want to soak in and take my time as a beginner before I jump into the older games. Awesome, thanks for the info. If I decide to jump in, then I'll start there. I like to play at my own place as well, so that does seem like a good entry point. ----- I disagree that a newer game can make a older game irrelevant unless its a 1:1 remake or a remaster. If you play games with the intention of understanding or following the lore or story, you wouldnt think that. Thats like saying oh ya, I'm going to watch Star Wars Episode VII/VIII/IX because they are new, no point in watching Episodes 1-6 because they are old and irrelevant - or in this example, you cant play Ryza 3 without playing Ryza 1 and 2, you'll be lost and wont enjoy the plot. Madden '25 makes Madden '24 irrelevant. Splatoon 3 makes Splatoon 2 mostly irrelevant. Most players move on to the latest version of fighting games like Smash and Tekken; of course a small section of the community stick with the previous release, but most people move on to the newest game. There are genres besides JRPGs with continued plots, you know. I don't know why you're trying to use a movie series as an example when we're talking about video games as if those two mediums are a 1:1 comparison. --- Your opinion isnt even an opinion to begin with in regards to the actual game, its just false assumption due to how the games are named rather than the actual content in the games. Cant really give an opinion to a game if you havent played it. And you're the only one who keeps bringing up the actual game instead of how they are named. I've stuck with my point. Regardless, I don't need to have completed a playthrough of the game to know how the game plays. You yourself mentioned video reviews. Are you saying they're worthless now? Your words "Addendum to #1: Squeenix strikes again with the idiotic naming scheme of their biggest titles. Calling it FFVII Remake? Cool, no problem. It may be a completely different gameplay genre with a copious amount of new elements added to the story, but you still know what it is. Calling the next one in the sequel Rebirth? Sounds too much like Remake, too easy to forget that it's a different game instead of being the same thing. I still have to stop and remember which one came first because they sound so interchangeable. And that was before I realized that they weren't the same thing. And what is an "Intergrade"? Is it a sequel to Remake that I need to play after Remake or Rebirth?" If you think Intergrade is a sequel to Remake, either you were never interested in the games because its not a turned based RPG like the original or you've been living under a rock this whole time to miss all the advertising/discussions over the years. Then I guess people who aren't hardcore FF fans are all molemen that can't make it past this gate that you're keeping, lol. I know what Intergrade is. It's called speaking from the standpoint of a layman though. It went right over your head. |
BasilZero said:
Then those people should do research before jumping into a series that has more than one game. Previews, Reviews, news articles, etc - we live in the age of information.
But plenty of people look at a game or a game series, get intimidated or turned off by convoluted titles that seem to be an inside thing that only the series' dedicated fans get, and then decide to come back to it later or look elsewhere. And flag-waving fans like you that think they have to die on that series' hill and run checks on everyone to see if they belong don't help.
No, my response about the story isnt complete is in regards to your last sentence of your previous post. Thats my point. But you said the same thing I did. Which was pointless. And no, if you told me milk comes from bovine beasts, I wouldnt reply "it came from cows, perhaps goats". Why? Because I had no idea what that word meant and would google it. Infact from googling it, Bovine beasts are cattle animals. A goat isnt a Bovine beast, its a Caprine beast. I got all that from doing research. See how doing some research helps, just like doing research on your questions about Atelier, Final Fantasy and The Legend of Heroes - can easily be resolved if you actually did some research. "Could I take the extra time to go to Wikipedia or Reddit to figure it out? Sure, but I don't care enough to do that." Yeah, I said just that earlier. This issue you have with me could be resolved if you actually had some reading comprehension.
Uhh, werent you the one who quoted me to begin with to argue about the naming scheme of the games? Nope, didn't quote you to argue. I was actually agreeing with you when I first quoted with you, and I figured that it would be a good starting point on what I had to say. I'm responding to your claims which have a lot of mistakes, mistakes that could have easily been avoided if you did research or if you are following the games from the get go. Outside of saying Atelier and Legends of Heroes games come from Bamco, what other mistakes? Before you mention Intergrade, let me remind you again that I wasn't seriously asking the question for you or anyone to answer. I was making the point that it's the question that comes to mind for more casual folks. I dont follow every single game franchise so I do research before I jump into a series I'm not familiar with. Me too. I just hadn't felt like doing enough research on the Atelier games to decide where to jump in. There are a lot of games with the name "Atelier" in the title, and I don't realistically have the time and money to play them all. I'm not approaching from the standpoint of "I'll get to them all eventually." Your example Atelier series especially. I've never played a single game in the series and I saw the number of games in the series and it felt overwhelming however I did research as a person who is interested in getting into the series. I did research instead of going on a online forum to complain about the naming scheme of why its not numbered Atelier 1, Atelier 2, etc. If you dont follow the games from the beginning, you do research. If you arent willing to do research, then why are you complaining? Neither did I; I just used Atelier as an example. I came to complain about FFVII Remake and Rebirth. Didn't realize that you would get this bent out of shape about it. Basil said: Edit: We're in a discussion forum talking about games, if you think my conversation is serious , maybe you should be serious too and actually do some research or better yet...skip all that nonsense since its pointless to argue and just play Remake Intergrade, forget the name schemes, doubts about which came first or not, as a fellow fan of the Final Fantasy series, I recommend just playing Remake Intergrade and go from there. Good luck. |
No, I said YOU are taking this too seriously. Like, "Dude you must be fun at parties" serious. You're like Dave Bautista's character* in Guardian of the Galaxy who is so unaware of his ability to take a joke that he thinks he can jump up and catch it as it goes over his head. It was a lighthearted jab at Squeenix's naming conventions, but you turned it into this. Maybe VGC should add a sarcasm font so I can use that next time.
Yep, I'm too lazy to go look up the character's name. Go ahead and grill me for that, and tell me how I must not have ever seen a Marvel movie, and that you've watched hour-long video essays on how Groot's philosophy on existentialism could be the savior of the modern Western world. And while you're giving yourself ulcers over it, I'll be living my best life. 
