Pemalite said:RolStoppable said:
Breaking up my post into pieces must have made you forget that it all ties together. You start by arguing that if it's a re-release sold at a higher price, it needs to include everything, then in the second portion you complain about Kirby doing exactly what you just asked for. |
Irrelevant. I break up posts to make replying to specific points a more coherent affair.
Don't twist my words.
And correct, if a game is sold at a higher price then it needs to include everything in a Deluxe/Complete/Anniversary edition or whatever.
I am simply building a framework for my pro-consumer argument that applies to all games, all platforms, no excuses. - I am not specifically asserting that Kirby is or isn't including extra content, that argument I reserved for Zelda to showcase as an example.
If Kirby isn't including extra content, then the base game needs to be sold at a lower price as it's a last generation game.
If it is including extra content in it's package, then I would have the expectation it's sold at a better price more in line with the original Switch release.
I am not pretending I have looked into the nuances of what is/isn't included with Kirby as it's a franchise I don't follow or personally play.
RolStoppable said:
I don't think the Nintendo gaming community will have much of a problem with BotW and TotK on Switch 2. Chances are that they already own both games. Chances are that they've already purchased the BotW DLC. Chances are that they are already subscribed to NSO and receive Switch 2 upgrade packs as a perk. All the fuss here is first and foremost about those people who have held out for up to eight years to get Zelda for cheap and now it turns out that all those years of waiting amounted to nothing. And yeah, my sympathy for gamers who refuse to pay for great games is pretty limited. |
Pricing is clearly a problem.
Actually a massive problem, hence you tried to make a thread arguing why it's a good thing, when it clearly is not... It's dominating the gaming news discussion across the planet, that's how big of a problem it is.
I own Breath of the Wild on WiiU.
I own Breath of the Wild on Switch.
I -would- have bought the game on Switch 2 if it actually included extra content at the same price... Or came in at a lower price as it's a 2 generation old title.
That's clearly not the case, Nintendo misses out on a sale.
I don't pay for subscription services... And once NSO runs out or Nintendo shuts down it's servers, you lose access to that content anyway.
RolStoppable said:
At the end of the day all the Switch 2 Editions are just a continuation of the ongoing complaint that Nintendo doesn't drop the prices of their games like the video game industry does, with no appreciation whatsoever for Nintendo making most of their profits by selling games instead of microtransactions and subscriptions. That's why Nintendo's profits are of my concern and why they also should be of yours, because we are seeing two different paths to make console gaming financially viable. Something has to give, one way or the other. I prefer to pay for games. |
I have zero issue with Nintendo not dropping their prices.
I do have an issue when Nintendo takes a 2 generation old game and tries to sell it to us at a higher price with zero effort or extra content.
And you should as well.
You are a consumer. Support pro-consumer, not anti-consumer practices, Nintendo doesn't care about you as an individual, if you were to die tomorrow, they won't know or care, so why the undying loyalty?
No. Nintendo's profits shouldn't be our concern, it makes no difference to us as consumers. If Nintendo's profits doubled, will we see better games? No. No we won't.
Your argument is anti-consumer and that is a path I cannot support. |
I appreciate that you concede that you can't be bothered to inform yourself about what's included in the Switch 2 Edition of Kirby.
You are mistaken if you believe that this thread was made because there's a massive pricing problem; there isn't. What we have is a stupidity problem and an outrage culture that wants to make mountains out of molehills or at times even nothing.
You keep saying that BotW and TotK have no extra content, but there is new stuff. You try to shrug off audio logs as not counting because they are played from an external app, but it's pretty wild to act as if voice actors work for free. The other features are less costly too implement, but they are more than zero effort.
Profitability should be of our concern as consumers, because it greatly influences how companies make decisions. Why do you think that so many video game publishers have implemented anti-consumer practices to nickle and dime gamers? Even Nintendo was in this situation around ten years ago, for a period of time they operated at a loss. It was during this period that Nintendo tried out a multitude of approaches towards DLC packages and pricing for 3DS and Wii U games, even rolled out a couple of Pokémon titles that were free to start and had microtransactions. It was then and there that I and other Nintendo gamers could vote with our wallets, and we picked the pro-consumer path of meaty expansions instead of the nickle and diming, hence why the expansion pass became the norm for Switch games; at least for the games that have additional content, because most Nintendo games don't have it in the first place.
It is not the Nintendo gamer who makes the bad decisions due to supposed undying loyalty, it's virtually everyone else when we look at the state of the industry.
