Israel-Hamas war, Gaza genocide

[JuliusHackebeil]

LurkerJ said:

JuliusHackebeil said:

If genocide was really Israels aim, they do a terrible job. Israel has the means to completely wipe out all of Gaza in one swoop. But they don't. Instead they wage a year(s?) long war. And they know every day the missinformed public will turn on them more. That is while Hamas hides in tunnels, under hospitals, in schools and civilian homes. While Hamas uses their own people as human shields.

If Hamas had those means to do the same with Israel, they would not hesitate one second and wipe them from the face of the earth in a day or two. It is their declared goal to kill all the jews and destroy Israel and the USA (and all the infidels). I believe them when they themselves say so.

I feel very sorry for the Palestinian people. For the propaganda they had to learn (unrwa being very complicit). The terror government they had to endure. The mentality of feeling joy for brutally killing civilians they have to live with. And the colleteral damage they have to suffer due to Hamas not giving up the hostages, hiding behind them and breaking international humanitarian law in armed conflict doing so (distinction).

And I will be very glad for both the Israelis and the Palestinians when Israel finaly wins this just war and frees us all from Hamas, which is more or less the same as ISIS.

Predictably, you have nothing to say about the West Bank or the brain washing the vicious settlers have gone through. You can watch YouTube videos on that too if you like. The video you linked is very biased and doesn’t cover the West Bank nearly adequately.

Will you be glad when Palestine is wiped off the map completely and the West Bank is completely annexed even though Hamas isn't there?

I don't claim to have good long term solutions for this very complicated problem. Hamas needs to be destroyed, sure. But then? I don't know, honestly. I am rather pessimistic about a peaceful coexistance between the Palestinians and the Israeli. The latter withdrew from Gaza almost 20 years ago and the former did nothing but prepare for the eridication of the Jews. Is this going to be different without Hamas? One can only hope. But I am pessimistic.

Perhaps the cruel backwards theocracy in Iran needs to fall, before you can expect peaceful Palestinians (where I would include the West Bank as well). But that will be a much harder fight Israel alone can never hope to win.

Palestine is a very new nationality compared to the Jews and Judea. And since many Arabs live in Israel and many many more would like to, perhaps the best solution is to have Israel control the whole area (Israel plus Gaza plus West Bank) and the palestinian Arabs live as israeli Arabs in Israel. That would certainly be an upgrade to the palestinian people, to live in a free democratic society, instead of another failed state. The region has enough of those already. And it cannot be the other way around, given what we know about how jews are treated in Gaza vs how arabs are treated in Israel. I suppose this would maximise the wellbeing for all the people there.

Bye the bye, I am not happy with quite some things the jews are doing, sure. But in a practical, dark world, the ends do justify the means for me, when your enemies use much much worse.

Also, in comparison to my uncertainty above, I can be quite sure that all our hearts here are in the right place and we all do want the best for the most people in this area. In that spirit, what would be your solution?