JRPGfan said:
Otter said:
We really gotta stop equating quality with the topic of inclusion. You could remove every reference to anything LGBT and you'd still have a marvel-fied narrative, the writing wouldn't suddenly be good if you think it is currently bad, it'd still have watered down RPG & team mechanics and overly whimsical artstyle which is pretty but against fan expectations. We do not need a scape goat of "the developers were too focused on" to explain the clear & intentional shift towards a popcorn blockbuster that they were trying to achieve. The reveal trailer back ended by an anthemic David Bowie "Heroes" mimicking a Guardians style character moments is speaking to what they wanted to achieve and how wanted to market the game.
Top comments on the trailer before social was able to latch onto the culture wars topics:
"What are we some kind of dragon suicide squad?"
"Fuck, this is gonna be a "He is right behind me isn't he" kind of script right?"
"i didn't know disney bought bioware"
"As a die-hard Dragon Age fan, my first reaction is that someone hired the Devs from Valor"
"Went from Dragon Age to Imagine Dragons."
Before being baited people were more effectively highlighting what was going on (these comments are all 4months old). It's extremely lazy and regressive to keep tying down the games issues with social politics, inclusion is not it's problem.
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Your right that those issues are bigger than the social politics.
However, my thing is, I believe the social politics to play into all those issues.
You can't separate them, because of how they are implemented.
That's why we talk about it.
Also have you noticed how many games that have these DEI issues, are poor games in general?
Is that because the game is bad, and thus, we blame the DEI?
Is it because it has this DEI focus, that the game then turned out bad?
Is it just bad luck? that seemingly so many DEI focused games turn out bad?
Is it the people hired that want DEI in the games?
Is it the consultant firms? like sweetbaby inc?
Whatever it is, there appears to be a connection.
Its one of the reason for the backlash to it.
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I think the connection is 100% internal bias. Lets look at Sweetbaby inc and recent AAA consultancy efforts
Marvels Spiderman 2
God of War Ragnarok
Alan Wake II
The Suicide Squad
Gotham Knights
The Crew Motofest
Of those games Suicide Squad and Gotham Knights are the obvious flops but their lack of quality obviously has nothing to do with DEI to anyone who is actually going to think about it critically. The other games we're just going to ignore because they're successful right?
It's clear that people are first seeing something they dislike "references to pronouns" "Ethnic Minority leads" and then backwards engineer a game flopping to be tied to that thing they dislike. Games flop all the time, series dissapoint constantly, studios fall short. We didn't need DEI narratives to look at the decline of Square Enix, Bethesda, Rare (although coming back to form).
When Concord flops its a DEI problem (DEI has nothing to do with quality character design before anyone tries it lol), when Immortals of Aveum flops it's just a quality problem. People are just being selective.
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