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Chrkeller on 19 May 2024
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curl-6 said:
Chrkeller said:

Nobody said progress wasn't made.  We are saying muscle is more important.

The ps3 was 256 ram, the ps4 was 8 gb....  32x increase.  

The ps3 was 20 (ish) gb/s while the ps4 was 176 gb/s....  almost a 10x increase. 

The muscle of the ps4 kills the ps3.

The switch has 25 gb/s....  sounds like a ps3 and no where near a ps4......  but it has more ram than the ps3.  

So yeah the switch is stronger than the ps3....  by 10-15% in performance.  Maybe 20%. 

It doesn't touch the ps4.  There is nothing on the switch that is like Ghost, GoW, Horizon, etc.  

You're focusing too much on a single aspect, that being raw bandwidth, and overlooking others such as the whopping 500% increase in memory capacity over PS3.

And in fact that raw bandwidth number vs PS3 is misleading; they look the same on paper, but precisely because of technological progress, the Switch supports Delta Colour Compression, a newer trick that gives it greater efficiency per GB.

And where is this 10-15-20% number coming from? Switch runs several games that are 720p or less on PS3 at 1080p, that in itself is a more than 100% increase in performance.

I don't know what to tell you.  If you think visuals for switch games are closer to ps4 than ps3, that is your opinion and while I disagree, I respect said opinion.

But tech is facts and we have easy examples.

Steam Deck newer chipset than 1080ti

Steam Deck more vram than 1080ti

1080ti significantly more memory bandwidth than Steam Deck.

And the winner via benchmarks and in-game performance is the 1080ti by a wide margin.

Not sure what else to tell you.  All this is easily searchable.  The facts are readily available.  Muscle matters.  It trumps newer chips with low muscle.

The Steam deck, despite newer chips and more vram, cannot make up for the 88 gb/s bandwidth against the 1080ti at almost 500 gb/s.

I flatly do not care what the switch has in chipsets.  It is 25 gb/s and it is a massive bottleneck.  Hardware is only as good as its weakest bottleneck.

There is a reason the 4090 is over 1,000 gb/s and the 5090 will be over 1,500 gb/s.

People are grossly underselling memory bandwidth.  

Last edited by Chrkeller - on 19 May 2024