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the-pi-guy said:
Paatar said:

I really don’t think most people would care if the double standard didn’t exist. It’s okay for a black person to play Ariel but it wouldn’t be okay for a white, or any other ethnicity to play Tiana, or Mulan, or Nani from Lilo and Stitch.

If that double standard wasn’t there, it really wouldn’t be an issue.

I don't know about Tiana, I'm sure people would care. I feel like people would care less with Nani.

Mulan on the other hand, kind of needs to be Asian. It's an Asian name, her whole story is joining the chinese army, fighting the Mongolian invaders, and saving the Chinese Emperor. Kind of needs to be a Chinese actor.

If you were to make a different story where Lilly joined the British army, and saved the Queen or something. People wouldn't care that not-Mulan wasn't Asian.

The double standard exists, because other races were pushed out.

It's like if there are 100 seats, 1000 people proportional to the US population. 

If the world were fair, 60 of those seats would be white, 19 would be hispanic, 13 would be black, 6 would be asian, etc.

Instead it's more like 75 of those seats are white, 10 are hispanic, etc.

The reason for that double standard is to correct for the real world bias.  

I am strongly against equity. I fully acknowledge that people were more racist in the past. And that things were (and in part are still) unequal because of that. But going for absolute perfect representation is not the way for me at least. I don't think you can correct a past mistake by making another one in the opposite direction.

Equity leads to quotas. And these are repulsive to me. Perhaps that is just me and a few others here. But there cannot be equality of opportunity if you strive for equity. Left alone, groups of people will choose different things. And looking at unequal outcomes and automatically assuming bias (and even a bias of a very specific, very nasty kind, racial bias) is jumping the gun. We have to prove how outcomes occur before we can competently try solutions to change these outcomes. That is not even touching the question if we should change the outcomes in the first place.

To be fair about what Paatar said: people did in fact care that Ariel was played by a black person. They complained a lot. But I do think that the double standard still exists though. People would riot, if we had a white Blade or Shaft.

And you talked about Mulan pretty much having to be asian. And I get your point. I even agree. It just makes sense. And it would not make sense otherwise. But than I have to ask: what did you think about Anne Boleyn being played by a black actress. Because to me that hardly made any sense either. It felt like pandering. It felt like caving in to weird, out of left field demands that should not have been important. And a Mulan that is not asian would just take me out if the experience. Or a king Gezo that is not black. Or an Anne Boleyn that is not white.