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EricHiggin on 15 November 2021
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SvennoJ said:

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/austria-orders-nationwide-lockdown-for-unvaccinated-1.5665576

Interesting, I wonder how civil rights deal with that? It's still a debate here what services are allowed to bar entry to unvaccinated people. Locking half the population down based on vaccination status, big move. Will it work, since the vaccinated spread it just as well? It should lower the hospitalization rate anyway.

A lot of things should have happened, but then again, they didn't oddly enough, though there was always an excuse/explanation, or the guidelines and definitions were changed so it was never the same problem as understood to begin with coincidentally. What if the rates don't drop much or rise yet again?

SvennoJ said:
RolStoppable said:

If civil rights could do anything about it, then this whole thing wouldn't have been put underway in the first place.

Ultimately, it's a consequence of the fear to make vaccination a must, so the unvaccinated are getting penalized at every opportunity which comes with the consequence that things get worse for vaccinated people too. The unvaccinated prove to be the biggest threat to their own cause, because their attitude isn't going to get them freedom.

But since the level of stupidity in Austria is higher than in most other countries in Europe, there won't be many unvaccinated who will give in in response to the new measures. The vast majority of them will now double down.

Yes, it will provoke backlash. I'm just wondering about how to enforce it? Here the police is definitely not allowed to stop you to ask your vaccination status, but business are allowed to require proof of vaccination before allowing entry. (Only some non essential businesses).

Lock downs never included essential businesses here, and the only thing the police could enforce was to break up large gatherings. (Not that they did or wanted to enforce anyway. Police got better things to do than count groups of people)

Masks are still mandatory here though, but those are by municipal by-law. It can change by county, as does the fine for not wearing one indoors.

Apparently the solution here to the stubborn holdouts is to start vaccinating 6 to 11 year olds next. We made it to 75% fully vaccinated and cases are starting to rise again. Never ending.

If a parent does a poor job early in a child's development, then later on decides to 'beat the teachings and wisdom' into the child, would that be seen as acceptable? When the child lashes out, would anyone be surprised? Who would back the parent and put the child in their place in this case? Did the parent likely just make constant mistakes early on, or are they perhaps 'unfit for the job'. If unfit, why isn't child services getting involved?

The Gov and professionals had their chances early on. Forgiveness time is far over. There's a certain percentage of people, much larger then they would like, who aren't going to budge, period. There will come a point where vax pushers will have no choice to drop it. It'll be odd at that point when covid is no longer an issue whatsoever, one way or the other. 'My autonomous electric car doesn't protect me from your self operated diesel truck, so you must get an autonomous electric vehicle immediately as well', isn't gunna fly because it simply makes no sense.