Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[EricHiggin]

Hiku said:

EricHiggin said:

Hospital Debunks Rolling Stone Ivermectin Poisoning Hoax Story – NewsWars

Rolling Stone magazine left with egg on face after doctor claims ivermectin ODs 'overwhelm' hospital (bizpacreview.com)

Rolling Stone Busted and Shamed For Writing Fakest “Horse Dewormer” Story You’ll Ever See (wiredailynews.com)

The political and professional elite 'brainiacs' sure did stop some people from getting medical assistance that they would've gotten otherwise. Some are saying this isn't the right way to decide who thrives and who suffers.

You're linking to sites named Conservative News Media, that have headlines such as: "Sorry LIBS, but....", "left wing egg on their face", and reference Alex Jones input.

Sound like very serious news organizations worth reading and responding to. But I will this once, to illustrate why you shouldn't.

The Dr's statement did not specify in which hospital in Oklahoma this supposedly occurred.
Yet the 'news' sites you linked to are concluding that this is a fake story, because one single hospital in Oklahoma that the Dr is affiliated with, but has not worked in for months, did not experience this.
Do you think maybe there are more hospitals in Oklahoma than just one?




And yet your news sites conclude that this is a fake story because one hospital in the entire state did not experience this.
It's as if the people working on those sites you linked either can't read, are very dumb, or believe their readers are unable to notice this very obvious logical fallacy. (And looking at the comment sections, they haven't.)

Rolling Stone did update their article with this story that one hospital in that state did not experience this. And they've reached out to other hospitals in the area that the doctor's group serves for comments. We can't say with certainty that this story is accurate until we hear something concrete, but we also can't say that it is fake because one hospital didn't experience this.

They also added that The National Poison Data System states there were 459 reported cases of ivermectin overdose in the United States in August.

According to the National Poison Data System (NPDS), which collects information from the nation's 55 poison control centers, there was a 245% jump in reported exposure cases from July to August — from 133 to 459.

Poison Control Centers Are Fielding A Surge Of Ivermectin Overdose Calls : Coronavirus Updates : NPR

So Oklahoma aside, Ivermectin overdoses is an actual problem that shouldn't be happening.

Next time, please don't reference literal propaganda sites. Or I will just dismiss it referencing this post of yours, because I don't want to waste another 10 minutes of my life that I won't get back. I fully understand the skepticism towards mainstream media, but those kind of sites are not the alternative. There are independent news organizations that are not propaganda outlets. And Rolling Stone updated the article with this story, so you could have just linked to that.

Like Rolling Stone(d) is any better? Just because their bias is hidden due to a random name doesn't mean they don't have one. The point is whether or not the subject matter is accurate and credible.

I shouldn't read and respond with them, but you should with Rolling Stone, even though you admit the story could be BS and we need to wait? Perhaps Rolling Stone should've done it's due diligence by waiting and further investigating, since it's such a 'mainstream upstanding' organization then, right?

So people can't get human Ivermectin, since it's being held back or is in short supply, and are turning to animal versions, which would require an adjustment to the dosage? Why isn't there a push to make sure human Ivermectin is plentiful since it clearly is for animals? Also, what constitutes exposure in the report?

Ivermectin: a multifaceted drug of Nobel prize-honoured distinction with indicated efficacy against a new global scourge, COVID-19 - ScienceDirect

Hopefully this link is legitimate enough for you. Here is the initial paragraph so you can decide if the rest is worth your time.

"In 2015, the Nobel Committee for Physiology or Medicine, in its only award for treatments of infectious diseases since six decades prior, honoured the discovery of ivermectin (IVM), a multifaceted drug deployed against some of the world’s most devastating tropical diseases. Since March 2020, when IVM was first used against a new global scourge, COVID-19, more than 20 randomized clinical trials (RCTs) have tracked such inpatient and outpatient treatments. Six of seven meta-analyses of IVM treatment RCTs reporting in 2021 found notable reductions in COVID-19 fatalities, with a mean 31% relative risk of mortality vs. controls. During mass IVM treatments in Peru, excess deaths fell by a mean of 74% over 30 days in its ten states with the most extensive treatments. Reductions in deaths correlated with the extent of IVM distributions in all 25 states with p < 0.002. Sharp reductions in morbidity using IVM were also observed in two animal models, of SARS-CoV-2 and a related betacoronavirus. The indicated biological mechanism of IVM, competitive binding with SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, is likely non-epitope specific, possibly yielding full efficacy against emerging viral mutant strains."

numberwang said:

JWeinCom said:

If you like to take joy in the misfortune others cause themselves, check out https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/ which chronicles the Facebook/Twitter feeds of antivax/maskers as they fall to Covid. #sorrynotsorry

Wait till you hear it's mostly POCs who are unvaxxed...

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/nyregion/covid-vaccine-black-young-new-yorkers.html

With NY and it's strict vax pass push, POC would be kept form attending events and establishments that others could, correct?. Segregation that targets POC in this case seems kinda racist doesn't it?