SvennoJ said:
EricHiggin said:
It doesn't make sense?
A driver can cause a massive pile up, especially in winter... Now even if it's say, the vehicles fault, not the drivers, through a broken poorly engineered part that causes the incident. That vehicle may also get recalled because of the weak part, but nobody has to bring their vehicle in. They can just keep driving anyway, potentially killing more people. We do nothing and it's totally accepted. One of infinite things we just turn a blind eye to each and every day.
Oh, and I like how the covid to driving analogy made no sense, but covid 'anti-vax' to MAGA somehow does? I mean Trump always has been against vaccines, especially this one, and is constantly telling people he didn't get vaxed, and that they shouldn't either, so. Wait a minute, did somebody just try to own the Cons?
As for the 'anti-vax' business, while I'd like to say they're being irresponsible, either opposition would simply say, in their favor, "they're a private business and can operate however they wish." It's a double edged sword in todays all encompassing political world, unfortunately.
If a concerned citizen who doesn't want the jab, is basically forced to take it (like say for their (specialized) job), then dies shortly after anyway, for whatever reason, driving or not, well. Even worse, what if the person who kills the now vaxed, 'anti-vaxer', is a double dosed 'vax addict'?
Apples and oranges? Death is death. Or is dying in a car accident no big deal when dying from a virus is? Or is it just because car accidents are normalized, so all we have to do is wait for covid to be normalized then nobody has to care anymore like the flu?
Since more analogies seem unlikely to help, I'll end with this. Not many are truly thinking long term, though a few here actually are.
Just think about what'll happen if covid strains continue and happen to get much worse. Or maybe it's not virus related but some other 'mainstream' problem causing some deaths. As more and more guidelines, rules, lockdowns, etc, are pushed, more and more people will resist and push back because of the flip flopping and overreach this time around. Think of covid as a first impression, and a considerable amount of people are not impressed in the least, so they won't be 'coming back for another meal', or 'won't be accepting a second date', and how can you really blame them with how things have been handled?
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You could compare a massive pile-up with a super spreader event. However all the drivers involved in the massive pile-up won't automatically go on to create secondary incidents. All those infected at a super spreader event will infect more people. That's the difference.
There are plenty rules for car safety, problem is people ignore them. Massive pile-ups happen because people drive irresponsibly, too fast, not adjusting to the weather conditions. True, in that sense it's the same as people ignoring social distancing, vaccination and lock downs. However speed limits and seat belt use are enforced, if you cause an accident you get fined and or thrown in jail if you were speeding, driving dangerously, tailgating or driving under the influence. Even when you only hurt yourself you risk losing your license and your job. (Happened to a kid from a friend of ours. He lost control in bad weather, ended up flipped upside down in a ditch, police determined he was driving too fast for the weather conditions and was in deep shit)
However again, car accidents don't cause more car accidents. If anti vaxxers only troubled themselves without overloading the hospital system we wouldn't have any extra measures anymore for Covid either. All the measures are based on the current strain on healthcare. They always were. Hence all the flip flopping, conflicting messages, since politics need to sell you your safety, while all it is about is to keep society going.
It's the same with Flu. After a bad flu year putting more strain on the health care system, flu vaccines come back in the news next year, get your shot, do your part. After a low flu year, it goes into the background again.
So yes, car accidents, flu etc are all 'normalized' based on what we can handle. Covid will get there as well most likely, but for now it still poses too great a risk to our fragile healthcare system to 'let go'. And unfortunately it's not just anti vaxxers that can spread the disease. Monday numbers: 527 cases involved people who are either unvaccinated, partially vaccinated or their vaccination status is unknown. The remaining 167 infections involved people who are fully vaccinated. And the role of asymptomatic spreaders is pretty much unknown as well. There is no talk about that anymore while there was plenty in the beginning. Who knows how many spreaders there are under vaccinated people that don't show any symptoms thanks to the vaccines.
Anyway, it seems we're reaching the new normal. Many countries are now stabilizing their daily covid case counts. Flattening out the curve without going down or further up. We'll see how many measures are needed in Canada to reach 'stability'. Masks are likely to stay, more places will make vaccines mandatory, fines for sending kids to school sick etc. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/vaughn-parent-fined-covid-19-daycare-1.6142610
Btw Trump changed his stance, flip flop (why is he still doing rallies... during an ongoing pandemic...)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-booed-alabama-rally-after-telling-supporters-get-vaccinated-n1277404
Time to move on I guess. The pandemic pretty much killed my wife's business and desire to continue with cultivating. She just took another $1200 loss. A shipment from the states was held back at the border (or rather inspection facility in Missisauga), sitting there for a month. When they finally inspected the shipment all the plants had gone moldy and were rejected, send back. She just got pictures of how the plants came back, unsalvageable. Out the shipping costs as well. The post office denies responsibility of course, can't do anything. Rare plants destroyed, can't get replacements for at least another 4 years (have to grow new ones first) Over a month of stress, calling after the various agencies involved over and over for nothing. The fallout continues.
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Neither will all the people who contract covid. Having covid doesn't automatically mean you'll spread it to someone else and someone else getting it doesn't automatically mean they'll be harmed. If you want to get more specific like a 'super spreader' event, then, well, all drivers who are part of 'super crashes', cause some degree of harm to everyone else in the pile up, simply because they chose to drive. Like covid though, some will be impacted greatly, some to a minor degree, and some not at all.
A massive pile up can happen due to a faulty part. One that seemed just fine the day before at the garage, but unexpectedly failed the next day. All the rules and enforcement in the world aren't enough sometimes. Which isn't even necessary because as you said, we don't fully enforce many things when it comes to driving, and even the things we do try to, don't cut it. There are only so many mechanics and so many police officers, so much money, so much time, and so many f**ks for people to give unfortunately. Plenty of people tend to run out of them earlier than you'd expect/hope.
All it takes is one, maybe two cars to have an issue/accident and the entire highway get's shut down, sometimes for hours on end. That's a major backup that basically makes the trip and the highway useless, at least for a point in time, like the hospitals with too much covid. Everyone else has to just live with it. Should they though?
The news may bring up the flu shot the odd time in certain years, but to think that weighs heavily on most people's minds, if they even remember it the next day for that matter, seems overly optimistic. I'd say the flu is far back in the majorities minds at all times, other than while fighting it off themselves.
Plenty of people of all risks spreading the illness, yet we only hear about a few things like the horrible MAGA supporters spreading it... I wonder why some don't care and why more and more are caring less and less... Maybe politics shouldn't be brought into everything, as while it can be beneficial in some ways, it can also be greatly detrimental in others. At the very least, the politics have to stop flip flopping or things will just keep getting worse period.
I was being sarcastic bout MAGA. I've only ever seen DJT brag about how Op Warp Speed was all him and how he's saved everyone, including himself, with the vax, as the article states. Though he also inquired about alternatives as well. It was his opposition that suggested not getting the vax because it had the slightest of ties to DJT. Yet it's MAGA who's to blame for the spread, as the blame can't be, spread, among everyone involved, from a certain point of view anyway. If the current Admin can allow record numbers of immigrants entry during a worldwide pandemic, then no reason why DJT can't have rallies. Again, flip flopping on what's ok and what's not will just keep making things worse.
As I've mentioned in the past, the damage being done is the same amount if not worse than it would be otherwise overall. It's just people at the top are being allowed to decide who suffers how much and who doesn't. Death today is seen as the worst type, but things can and have been bad enough where people welcome death. The world is a crazy place.
Your situation is unfortunate and I can only hope things turn out reasonably well for you and your fam after all is said and done.
