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EricHiggin on 17 July 2021
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ZyroXZ2 said:
mjk45 said:

Thats because they didn't exist there was a policy of parity across those platforms, there weren't any Pro/One X versions,the only benefit gained was from playing on stronger hardware.

That is the exact same thing as the "new" consoles: they are simply stronger hardware.  There isn't really a particular "feature" that requires the new consoles outside of massively improved loading speeds (with the PS5 taking a much stronger lead).  Console innovations have mostly disappeared since the Xbox360/PS3 era, so all we're doing now is steadily increasing power to meet the expectations of customers and the needs of the developers.  Also, there really was never a parity policy, per se, just that it would be unwise if you had two pieces of hardware labeled "PS4" that played different games.  Had the PS4 Pro actually been named a PS5, for example, we'd be right where we are now (albeit with less power advancements), and the PS5 would simply be a PS6 lol

EricHiggin said:

A pretty reasonable review based on your opinion. Also glad to see you've made the DLC and/or upgrade choice that is best for you.

I do remember full console hardware upgrades for the first time, and those early adopters who had to trade in their base console plus extra for the mid gen upgrade though. The hardware was the same if not similar tech, mostly just beefed up. Wouldn't be the first time hardware upgrades were optional later on to be able to play some games. I also remember articles suggesting that SNY hadn't decided on whether all the software upgrades would be free or not for Pro as well. Some upgrades have been just for the feels and didn't really impact performance, like premium controllers, but why nobody is upset those weren't added initially for no extra cost, or weren't free upgrades later, can't help but make you wonder with that mindset.

I also remember that for this gen, MS made it quite clear they wanted an all in one ecosystem where as much as possible was tied together, upgraded, old XB and new. SNY made it clear they still believed in generations, though not 100% like their prior launch consoles because they knowingly made the PS5 BC with PS4.

The fact that MS is handing out more freebies makes sense because they set that expectation for their brand this gen, and also, everyone paying attention knows they have to be more generous because of the weaker position they've put themselves in.

SNY made it clear their focus is still more so generations, though not entirely, which everyone can see that balancing act going on. We also know SNY obviously has the upper hand right now, which always leads to companies asking for more to some degree and looking like the bad guy. So far they've been quite reasonable, and if they ever get too out of line, their core fanbase will surely let them know socially and financially.

Well, yes: Sony has been quite reasonable because they don't want to "lose" to Microsoft, but their strong market lead is starting to lead to that greed, and I do NOT see the core fanbase understanding this.  They instead defend it to "support" Sony like they're a charity, and I've decided to make a later discussion video on this particular topic, haha!

The real difference between older and newer gens of consoles is the older gens were more customized hardware, which made it more difficult to transition from one gen to another. All generational hardware has always increased performance and innovations, for SNY and MS at least.

A PS4 Pro would not be next gen because it's very similar hardware to the PS4, just beefed up. Both even use the exact same controller. The PS5 is different hardware all around, though based on the same x86 core architecture. It's certainly not PS3 different, but it is different enough to clearly be defined as next gen.

MS could've called XB1X, 'XBSX', said it was next gen, and just made a FC policy so all XB1S games worked on 'XBSX' with enhancements. It would've put them in a similar position to when they transitioned from OGXB to XB360, which gave them a considerable lead over PS3 and led to a much more competitive gen. Yet instead, even though they would've clearly had the performance spec crown this time, they followed SNY's mid gen upgrade stance. You can't help but ask, why?

The core base has been around long enough to see and/or know/remember what happened with PS3 and XB1. Both SNY and MS got extremely arrogant and screwed those console gens up bigtime due to greed. Nowhere near enough time has passed for those core individuals to forget this.

Now for casuals who don't pay attention, it's to their detriment if they don't feel the products and/or extra's are worth the price, but that's their problem because it's not like the info isn't out there and easily available. Corporations aren't babysitters and teens/adults aren't babies, or at least that we're led to believe.

Part of the point of being on top is the extra's you get out of it, unless of course you start demanding too much, in which case your people/customers will replace you. Nobody goes to the trouble of becoming a multi billion dollar corporation, who climbs to the top, to just give the best away for the same as the competitions lesser offerings. That's more so how people act in small family units, or communities, but not how people act in a civilization on a grand scale. 

SNY and MS core fans are well aware of the need for greed and are keeping an eye on it. If it get's too out of hand, they'll take to social media and will be heard. Assuming of course their cries aren't considered 'disinformation' and blocked or taken down. If it comes to that we're all screwed, so let's assume not.

Last edited by EricHiggin - on 17 July 2021