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sundin13 on 27 December 2020
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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
sundin13 said:

I feel like that is a bit of a stretch. You are going to have to put forth a little bit more of an argument to demonstrate that sexual thoughts lead to "a distortion of reality". Tons of people have a sexual thought when they see an attractive person walk by. You don't just suddenly start cat calling because you saw a lot of sexy ladies. Cat calling is an action which is largely distinct from having a sexual thought, and similarly, attraction to young looking anime girls doesn't destroy your perception of reality. 

I'm talking about sexualizing real teenagers, not fictional anime characters. Which is why I state that he'd have more of a point if he meant purely fictional stuff. But the discussion was going into the direction of real-life consequences of sexualizing minors, the implication being real minors. I also don't mean that I know that having bad thoughts doesn't make you a deranged maniac or a cartoon villain, but it can lead to subtle distortions of reality, as in being accepting of ideas that just aren't healthy to have. 

Frankly, I think it's pretty self-explanatory how sexualizing real teenagers or pre-pubescent children can lead to bad consequences for someone's mental health and view of the world, it's not really a point that needs defending.

I don't think that changes anything in regards to your cat-calling example. People don't cross the line from not cat-calling to cat-calling just because a lot of attractive ladies walked by. It isn't a product of the number of sexual thoughts, it is the interference of a separate variable. Taking action is largely distinct from attraction, and I would need to be presented actual evidence demonstrating that having sexual thoughts creates actual harm.

It seems like negative thoughts towards yourself regarding sexual guilt would likely be more damaging to one's mental health than a completely normal sexual thought, which I wouldn't call "bad" or "unhealthy". This feels like an offshoot of classical religious arguments towards masturbation and sexuality, which seem to be far more self-evidently damaging than entirely normal sexual thoughts and entirely harmless sexual expression such as masturbation and playing ecchi games.