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EricHiggin on 06 October 2020
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JWeinCom said:
EricHiggin said:

Trump, Biden, Senators, Governors, etc, have been telling people what to do, and what not to do, and some listen, and some don't. Even in places that mandate masks, the people who tend to agree with their leaders, don't always wear masks. While at home in ON, Canada, our specific county mandates masks, and I know more than a few people who think they're a good idea in general, but don't always wear it all the time as they're supposed to. Some businesses, who aren't suppose to allow you entry without a mask, are doing so anyway as well. Our P.M. has been pushing masks a long time, and some people just don't care.

Not everyone spreads the illness the same from what I understand. So one person could not wear a mask and never spread it, while someone else with a mask could spread it much more so than you may anticipate. It's incredible Giuliani doesn't have it, though some people aren't as susceptible to it. The mask may help, but wearing one doesn't mean you're automatically saving more lives than others. Every little bit is supposed to help no matter who you are, because every last life is supposed to matter. Some on both sides unfortunately seem to disagree with that.

If Trump had come out in the first place and said it spreads like wildfire and you really should be wearing a mask, some people would get them, others wouldn't due to hoarding or low stock in general, and the medical personnel would end up in big trouble because of shortages. If hospitals ended up way worse off than they already were because of lack of PPE, since citizens were grabbing it up, who would've got that blame? Would this have created some level of mass panic? Violence? Destruction? Who would take the blame for that? Would it have been better or worse than what played out? Did all the professionals tell Trump to tell the people the truth, and did Trump go against them all? If you make a bad decision because either way you're basically screwed, but one way seems less harmful than the other, can that ever be considered a good decision?

I doubt it as well, for the same reasons, but it could even be something like he had a positive test, and got away without testing again to verify. Just use that for political means, if he thought it would help him. It's quite unlikely though as we all know. Having it regardless doesn't mean he wouldn't decide to use it if he could. Trump likes to play games, especially when it comes to screwing with his image as per the media.

It's one big mess and the world was ill prepared. You can't prep for what you can't see coming, and you can't fully prep for whatever you think may come to pass. Not without completely changing how things work that is, and what exactly would that be like? Better or worse? Who knows?

Again, I'm not holding Trump responsible every time someone catches the virus or anytime someone defies the safety advice.

I'm holding him accountable for his actions which either directly spread the virus, or encouraged the public to be less safe. From what I can see, it's clearly the case his actions were negligent at best, and more likely should be considered to be intentionally endangering the public. I think I've made it abundantly clear what they are, and I think some are completely indefensible.

I would absolutely love for a task force to be set up, where experts will analyze the situation, and come up with a more scientific analysis of exactly how much Trump's actions caused the virus to spread (or for that matter if they actually saved lives which I can't fathom is true). 

I'm not saying he's blameless.

Sure, but everyone with considerable political power and influence need to be part of the inquiry so as to know who exactly caused what. Earlier on especially, though after the danger of spread was understood, there were events that were allowed and weren't shut down, some attended by high ranking politicians. On the flip side, some politicians pushed for masks earlier on while others didn't. We need to know who was responsible for what at the end of the day, and what could have perhaps been better or worse decisions made by them instead. The public should be able to take that individual info and decide who's more influential and how much that matters to them.