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EricHiggin on 05 October 2020
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JWeinCom said:
EricHiggin said:

Trump had little control over how covid spread from China. Could he really have kept it out of America? Could he really have without a doubt, halved the deaths? If he had, would that have been good enough? What number would be reasonable? Something we can never know for sure and something that really doesn't have certain answers because even 25,000 deaths would've been considered too much because one is said to be too much.

What about his supporters who do wear masks? How many do vs how many don't? How many with masks unfortunately spread it anyway? 

Well you could argue Pence based on his religious beliefs, who Trump picked to be his VP. Some say it always goes up to Trump because he's Prez so again, it would matter to some degree in that case.

Again, I blame Trump based on his actions. I don't think I have ever said that every single death related to Covid is his fault. Nor did claim to know how many deaths could have been prevented if he followed what the health experts say. I think people more qualified than me should study that, and Trump should be accountable based on their findings.

Trump's mask wearing supporters are like his RBG hating supporters. I don't give him the blame for his supporters doing bad things if he hasn't encouraged it. Likewise, I don't give Trump credit for them showing basic common sense and decency unless he's somehow encouraged that.

What I do know is that health experts have consistently said that masks are a hugely effective tool to fight the spread of the virus, and Trump has frequently contradicted them. He put people who are not qualified in control of the handling of the virus, pushed for promoting ineffective treatment, put out misinformation on the virus, etc. Beyond that, he has personally exposed people directly through his rallies, and by continuing to see people after he had been exposed.

I'm not blaming Trump for everything, just for the things he's done.

You weren't too specific but since we were talking about covid and death in general I thought it fit.

I would assume the lack of blame and credit goes both ways? Seeing news reporters in the field pointing out how terrible it is that people aren't staying inside and aren't wearing masks because of economical reasons (Trump), then getting called out on air by those very 'terrible' people as to how the camera crew is standing right there and not wearing masks either, for example. (1st clip 1:20 if you want quick)

'Professionals' in the public eye, who would even shame people based on the science, who like to shame Trump, don't even practice as they preach. If the problem was that bad, and masks were that effective, you'd think this wouldn't ever be a concern for the people on board with it. That's not saying the science explained to the people is wrong and masks are useless, but who really believes what, and how are people expected to follow anyone if they don't set a proper example? When someone praises their leader for saying and doing the right thing, and then you don't actually follow through yourself, it's no wonder why some people don't believe it. Plenty of reason to split up any blame.

On a side note, notice all the sudden replies about covid here after your last response? The covid section of the debate didn't go so great for Trump as per many. Trump then get's covid shortly afterwards and look at everything being said about the situation. It's a mess and it's one heck of a coincidence. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, but Trump again is getting people to play his game one way or another. Whether it works in his favor or not, we'll see.