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sundin13 on 05 October 2020
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EricHiggin said:
JWeinCom said:

I'm not going to blame Trump for things he has no control over. 

When his supporters don't wear masks because he downplays them, he's contributing to that, and he should be blamed, and in my opinion, hated for it. But I don't see anything he's done that would encourage his supporters to celebrate RBG's death, so I can't blame him for that.

Trump had little control over how covid spread from China. Could he really have kept it out of America? Could he really have without a doubt, halved the deaths? If he had, would that have been good enough? What number would be reasonable? Something we can never know for sure and something that really doesn't have certain answers because even 25,000 deaths would've been considered too much because one is said to be too much.

What about his supporters who do wear masks? How many do vs how many don't? How many with masks unfortunately spread it anyway? 

Well you could argue Pence based on his religious beliefs, who Trump picked to be his VP. Some say it always goes up to Trump because he's Prez so again, it would matter to some degree in that case.

I find this post interesting.

JWeinCom states that Trump has contributed to the damage done by coronavirus through his downplaying of masks. In response, you immediately start talking about China (irrelevant), whether he could have really kept it out of America (also irrelevant), whether he could have halved the deaths (also irrelevant) and other irrelevant ponderings. It is interesting that you would respond to such a specific allegation with so many irrelevant hypotheticals which even you acknowledge have no answer.

Then, when you get to masks, you ask some rather bizarre questions. Exactly what are you getting at when you say "what about his supporters who do wear masks"? I agree. What about them? Same with your last question. Why are people wearing masks who still spread the disease relevant, unless you are insisting that masks don't make people safer? If you are making that point, why broach it in the form of an untargeted hypothetical instead of as an argument? Why do these questions matter here?

If we look at the data on mask wearing, we see a strong and consistent partisan divide. I think you would be fooling yourself if you didn't believe that Trump in some way has contributed to this phenomenon. As such, there should be no real question about whether Trump's continued downplaying masks contributed to some amount of suffering and death among the American people. 

This post feels like smoke screening to me. Just throwing out as many untargeted points as you can, distracting those you are speaking with from the real point, without ever really engaging with what the person you are responding to said.