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[EricHiggin]

JWeinCom said:

EricHiggin said:

(I mostly mean you in terms of the left in general here, not you specifically)

I guess you can say it's ok to be extremely negative towards Trump, in terms of yourself personally if that's how you truly view him, but the problem is how it reflects on your political stance and the party. For quite a while now, one of the big reasons to vote Dem or Lib was because they were truly seen as the good guys. The nice guys. The tolerant. The politically correct. I could go on. Trump has shown that's not the case across the Lib spectrum.

Now you can ask, 'how is anyone in their right mind supposed to be nice to the devil himself', but the problem with that is you're way over exaggerating his faults, while also not understanding you're not expected to always be perfectly nice. Over doing it while being negative about Trump makes you look dishonest or that you don't fully understand. You also surely could be upset about him, but there's a line you just don't cross if you're truly the good guys, and that line get's crossed way to often anymore.

This leads people to believe you're no better than the 'orange devil'. If you're willing to stoop that low, by your own labelling and accord, then you're likely just as bad. Considering this has gone on as long as it has, it seemingly proves that the Dems in general are only the good guys when they're getting their way, but when they aren't, they're intolerant and politically incorrect. For people who've dealt with kids, this can't help but remind them of spoiled children. They're super nice and great when they're getting their way, but as soon as things go against their wishes, no matter how legit, they throw a tantrum and will cause havoc until they get what they want, or until you lay down the law. Trump can also at times act childish, but it doesn't seem as bad because the left just follows suit when he does. They don't rise above and prove how elite they claim to be.

What about Trump and his faults which he doesn't even hide? That's on purpose. He set that standard. That's what you're supposed to expect from him. Whether or not you agree with any of it, he's upfront about it. The Dems still try to act like they're the tolerant good guys, but Trump get's them to take off the mask all the time. People don't like feeling or knowing they've been had. They don't like finding out they're being manipulated either. If people in general have to choose though, knowing they're getting screwed regardless, they'd rather be able to see it at the surface rather than not be able to tell at all. People would obviously like for everything to be up front and legit, but that's not how politics has worked for a long time, if entirely ever.

The only thing I've seen that's quite negative but sorta worthy, are the points about hoping he pulls through so he can go to jail, if you think he should that is. This is because it's about justice through the system. Civilized and something all citizens agree to for the most part. No hate, no bias, just facts and the judgement of your peers.

Everyone's free to say what they want within reason, but everyone is also free to interpret what you say. "Be careful what you wish for".

Nah, fuck that. 

Don't think the left ever portrayed themselves like that. Tolerance means not hating people for things that they cannot control (race, gender expression, nationality) or the way they choose to live their life insofar as it does not hurt anyone else. Doesn't mean that when people do terrible things we have to say "thank you sir, may I have another".

Don't think the left ever claimed to be Ghandi. We're human. We get angry because that's a natural thing humans do. And sometimes, we hate people, particularly when they do terrible things. If we can't live up to the ridiculous double standard you're setting up here, oh well.

I said the left wasn't expected to be perfectly nice based on what they set as standard. There's room in there for positivity and negativity, but there is a line at the lower end of negativity that's frowned upon or worse if crossed.

I've often since Trump seen the saying thrown around of, "if the left didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any at all". Now while there's some truth to this, it's not entirely true. It also doesn't only apply to the left. The right, like with Mitch recently about SCOTUS, also have that flaw.

I didn't write all that to jab anyone, I wrote it constructively. The only way people better themselves is to reflect on their flaws, make necessary changes, and move on. This goes for everyone, including Trump. Problem with Trump is trying to teach an old dog new tricks is tough enough, especially when the dog is more like a lion.

If you disagree that's fine. It doesn't encompass everyone as I pointed out from my point of view.