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Barozi on 17 September 2020
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haxxiy said:
Barozi said:

"Positivity rates around 1% are irrelevant and interchangeable considering noise from false positives or sample contamination."

That's not the point. The point is that it took ages for Sweden to get close to 1% while many many other countries have been around 1% for months.

"Besides, both Norway and Denmark now have higher cases per capita, and even in absolute cases, if we are talking about Denmark."

I'm not blindly going to believe the first part but I'm not in the mood to find their data. Let's just say even if it's true, it's probably not far off from Sweden's current numbers, so by your definition just statistical noise.

The second part of that statement however is just misleading at best and plain wrong at worst. Denmark currently has more confirmed cases because they are testing far far more people. ~45k daily tests (0.78% of the population) vs. 18k daily tests (0.18% of the population) (based on 126k tests last week).

That's roughly 4 times more tests per capita in Denmark compare to Sweden. You talk about confirmed cases while it's obvious that Sweden's true daily case count is quite a bit higher than Denmark's.

If they are testing less per capita, wouldn't their positivity rate by default be higher, then? Or do you believe they're just blindly stumbling into positives?

I understand you wouldn't be in the mood to research data that contradicts your point of view (it's all freely available in Our World In Data, by the way) but don't expect me, then, to accept your logical inference, without any study to back it up, that Sweden MUST have more cases just because you think so.

Here's something to think about:

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/germany-covid-19-cases-rise-as-schools-reopen/1941262

Vs.

https://www.tellerreport.com/news/2020-09-07-here-the-mass-tests-continue-on-campus.By7ssdTX4v.html

It's not my fault you can't follow my logic. I mean you could if you knew basic maths but that seems to be a severe problem for you.

Sweden currently has more daily cases (in absolute terms) than Denmark.

That's what I already proved. I already gave you all the numbers you need to come to the same conclusion but it's understandable that you won't acknowledge data that contradicts your point of view.

You think I don't know that the amount of testing has no effect on the positivity rate? Please, that's more than obvious. No need to point it out.
But you seem to think that every single person that gets tested outside the group of people who would've been tested either way, is an automatic negative. That's not true at all and the huge problem in your logic. It's also incredibly obvious that the days of primarily testing people with symptoms are long over. So yeah, they are indeed blindly stumbling into a lot of positives because A) the testing capacity is there and B) the authorities want to test as many people as possible to keep everything under control.

I bet if you read an official source saying that one case of rape is reported to Indian authorities each year, you would blindly believe it even when someone points out that this is only the official count and it's happening in the hundred thousands to maybe millions without getting reported.
I can already hear you say: "don't expect me to accept, without any study to back it up, that India must have more rape cases just because you think so."

You can tell even without studies. It's called logic.