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Eagle367 said:
EricHiggin said:

If potentially contracting covid and potentially spreading it, leading to yourself/someone else potentially getting sick, injured, or dying, is attempted suicide/murder, then the same would apply to driving. People worldwide could potentially get in an accident, leading to themselves/someone else getting traumatized, injured, or dying. I'd say your over exaggerating but that's just me.

What's the difference if the choice is her's period? If she chooses to off herself, then that was the right choice for her, which should make it a good choice then correct? Unless the world isn't about you and making your own choices that could potentially negatively impact others in some way. Didn't you say, "oh we don't care if you wanna kill yourself", or was that just a joke as well?

If people are given the opportunity to choose, then at the very least, life at times is all about you. Even if your decision was to do what would benefit the community more than yourself, that's still what's best for you, since you made the decision, assuming it was made freely.

If some humans decide life is all about me, me, me, then that would go directly against life being more so a community. Some of those humans clearly exist, and some of them thrive. What's best always comes down to the individual. For some it's more about them, for some it's more about others.

Oh come on, the comparison to driving is misguided at best and dangerous at worst.

And what's best doesn't always come down to the individual. That's something I disagree with. Do individuals make dumb decisions? Sure but that doesn't mean it's best. What's best always comes from when humans come together to achieve something. Civil rights, economic rights, human rights all came about from collective action, not individual action though as I said there is value in the individual. That's why individualism is misguided. Now that doesn't mean that whenever humans come together to do something, it's best because horrible things can happen from the wrong collectivist action as well like Nazism or white supremacism.

Others can advise, but it's up to the individual at the end of the day. You can only hope they make what would seem to be the sensible choice, but what's right for them cannot ultimately be decided by others. I'll admit, when it comes to age, the younger you are, the more prone you are to making poor decisions because of your lack of knowledge and wisdom, which is why we label people students, adults, etc. That's far from a perfect system as well though.

Erase Hitler from history. Where does Germany end up? Erase MLK from history. Where do civil rights end up?

Why did others, choose themselves, to follow these individuals example and form a collective?

Freedom of choice vs forced collectivism. Which is worse?