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EricHiggin on 23 July 2020
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SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

1). No. That could be part of the reason however as doing more testing doesn't make up the entire gap. I'm saying the more testing, the more likely you're going to find more people who have it. If you don't test at all, you're not going to have any confirmed cases, if you start testing, you're going to find people who have it. The more you test, the more cases you'll come up with in overall in general as a country. Maybe the US has way more asymptomatic cases which is why the people may not be as inclined to see the need in masking up, leading to more spread. Maybe because the US people were lied to by the head Gov specialist about the importance of masks, which he admitted, the people don't believe the suggestion of masking up now. There are a ton of reasons why the spread may be worse, or that the numbers themselves may not be as legitimate as depicted.

2). Also, while I haven't paid near as much attention to the death rate lately, because of the media, I immediately noticed that the news seems to be heavily focused on the increase in confirmed cases, and no longer deaths for about a week now. This is a major change from how they were laser focused on the deaths not so long ago. I wonder why they would do that? Is it because they don't care anymore, or because it's no longer so scary, so change to showing bigger increasing numbers of the general spread perhaps?

3). Another reason to question the numbers overall. You don't really know how many cases you have exactly without testing though. So how can you say you should be testing more based on more cases? Covid 19 symptoms aren't entirely unique. Just because you think someone might have it, doesn't mean they actually do. You have to test to confirm. Then there's also the asymptomatics who show little to no signs. What if the US has more of them then they may think? Maybe they are grouped together more which could explain why some aren't as inclined to wear a mask, unknowingly leading to more spread anyway.

4). 100% correct though they didn't take into account the anti body tests that a lot of other nations don't? You surely can't assume everything has been taken into account. None of us know everything, because none of the experts and professionals themselves even know, or can be reliably trusted, so while there is no spoon fed final answer, it's clear there's more to it than just some nations are weaker and/or idiotic. If that's the automatic assumption someone wants to make though that's up to them.

1). The increased rate in positive cases is higher than the rate of new testing. So yes we are testing more but we're finding more positive cases per capita of tests than before.  Meaning the infection if spreading faster than we can test for it.

According to John Hopkins University, we had 505,140 test results on June 16th with a 7-day moving average of 4.4% being positive.  Today we had 754,431 test results with a 7-day moving average of 8.5% positive.  So testing it up 49% but positive results are up 93%

2). All this time you've spent in this thread and you haven't learned anything.  Deaths lag infections.  We just had our highest 1 day death total since May 29th. 8 weeks ago.

3). You question the numbers we do have because of the numbers we don't have yet? WTF does that mean? And didn't you just a damn good reason to keep testing and contact tracing?  

-The initial question isn't really pointing at testing specifically. People are spreading it and contracting it, and while the tests prove how much, they don't explain the why and how behind everything.

-So whatever someone provides me is 100% correct, no faults or flaws? Often enough, some of recent, individuals who were in some cases backing each other, were also directly contradicting each other on some points. Both pushing 'undeniable' data/facts who believed they were right, yet only one of them could have been. It was also said to me that people should easily know what's 'right and wrong' and should ignore whatever or whoever is wrong, even if they are deemed professionals or specialists. How could they not have known themselves before presenting those 'facts' to me? The same type of individuals in general who like to point out that the problems are mostly because of politicians making decisions, and not listening to the professionals or specialists who supposedly provide those facts. So forgive me for not simply consuming whatever I'm served, but I appreciate the added items to the 'menu' so I can go through and come to a better conclusion.

-I question the numbers, because they have been legitimately criticized for more than a few reasons. That's not to say the numbers hold no value, but the value they hold is lesser than they would otherwise because of it. More testing in general would be a good idea, but there would at some point come a time where continuing to increase testing would be a waste. Where that point is exactly is up to the professionals to analyze, predict, and act. Maybe they do just enough, maybe they underestimate, maybe they overestimate. The 'perfect' amount of testing here isn't an exact science unfortunately.