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Barozi said:
EricHiggin said:

Well how accurate are the numbers? How accurate are any of the numbers? Clearly dying from another cause, and being counted as a covid death because it was also in their system at that time, certainly puts that into question. Hospitals being paid by the Gov for treating covid 19 patients when forced to slow or halt other medical treatments due to the pandemic? Based on covid 19 symptoms, which can be quite similar to other illnesses?

How many other uncertainties are out there? I'm sure I must have caught them all. Never miss a covimon.

Same illness, that effects people differently, because people are different. Are all workers the same? Same quality? Same productivity?

No.

So you're saying that while the illness is the same, more US citizens are infected because they are less healthy in general compared to people in other 1st world countries. Got it.

No. That could be part of the reason however as doing more testing doesn't make up the entire gap. I'm saying the more testing, the more likely you're going to find more people who have it. If you don't test at all, you're not going to have any confirmed cases, if you start testing, you're going to find people who have it. The more you test, the more cases you'll come up with in overall in general as a country. Maybe the US has way more asymptomatic cases which is why the people may not be as inclined to see the need in masking up, leading to more spread. Maybe because the US people were lied to by the head Gov specialist about the importance of masks, which he admitted, the people don't believe the suggestion of masking up now. There are a ton of reasons why the spread may be worse, or that the numbers themselves may not be as legitimate as depicted.

Also, while I haven't paid near as much attention to the death rate lately, because of the media, I immediately noticed that the news seems to be heavily focused on the increase in confirmed cases, and no longer deaths for about a week now. This is a major change from how they were laser focused on the deaths not so long ago. I wonder why they would do that? Is it because they don't care anymore, or because it's no longer so scary, so change to showing bigger increasing numbers of the general spread perhaps?

JRPGfan said:
Conina said:

USA: 146k tests per million

Germany: 82k tests per million

Italy: 103k tests per million

So the more tests could explain double of the known active cases at best , not 29x or 85x the number of known cases.

Also the USA also counts anti body tests, in that number (which alot of other natons dont).

Like in denmark we have tested 230,000+ pr million.
Testing SHOULD be higher (pr million) the more cases you have.
And yet, you dont hear our prime minister saying "we're testing too much, slow down the testing"!

If you have a few people, and miss a few people, its not the end of the world. If you dont test for them.
If you have massive spread, and miss aton of people, its gonna make it sooo much worse. Thus as more people have it, testing should go up.

USA has more cases than anywere, and thus should be testing alot more (pr population) than other places.
Thats how you stop spread, you find those infected, and ask them to stay home and not go around infecting others.

Conina is 100% correct.

EricHiggin says some odd things sometimes.

Another reason to question the numbers overall. You don't really know how many cases you have exactly without testing though. So how can you say you should be testing more based on more cases? Covid 19 symptoms aren't entirely unique. Just because you think someone might have it, doesn't mean they actually do. You have to test to confirm. Then there's also the asymptomatics who show little to no signs. What if the US has more of them then they may think? Maybe they are grouped together more which could explain why some aren't as inclined to wear a mask, unknowingly leading to more spread anyway.

100% correct though they didn't take into account the anti body tests that a lot of other nations don't? You surely can't assume everything has been taken into account. None of us know everything, because none of the experts and professionals themselves even know, or can be reliably trusted, so while there is no spoon fed final answer, it's clear there's more to it than just some nations are weaker and/or idiotic. If that's the automatic assumption someone wants to make though that's up to them.

As far as I've seen, covid 19 is much more like a cold than the flu. Which also means like a cold, your bodies immunity to it is kinda weak and short lived. Short lived like 2 weeks to 3 months, maybe a little longer. That would certainly explain why some are potentially getting infected a second time now. It's also the reason why a vaccine would be extremely tough to make and distribute, because it would almost certainly have to be administered multiple times a year to truly be effective. It's part of the reason they don't bother with cold shots, but do bother with flu shots. Your immunity against the flu is like 2 years to 10 years, so a (bi)yearly shot makes sense. Asking people to stay home for a while and get better won't solve it if your immunity is gone after a few months. This is why masking up would seem to make some sense, and why it's being pushed more and more. If you can't build up a strong long lived immunity, then you have to try and prevent yourself from getting it in the first place, or spreading it to others. If they do somehow come up with a vaccine, trying to get people to take it bi yearly or more will be the next problem to overcome.

You say that as though I'm supposed to be perfect, yet oddly screw up at times. Nobodies perfect, not even close, and this covid 19 pandemic is one screwed up situation, from all angles. It does fit so well in upside down backwards world though.