Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[EricHiggin]

Pemalite said:

All vehicles are never taken off the road at the same time... Even when we had that vehicle flaw in dozens of vehicle models a few years ago, the replacements occurred over a period of months.

If all vehicles are subject to the same flaw, then you need to get in touch with various outlets to book a time for that repair/replacement to occur, it's a logistics thing... The issue gets resolved over a period of time, not all at once.

Those who do not need to drive their vehicles, should minimize such use as much as practicable.

The same thing occurs with COVID, everyone needs to stay at home, unless you are an essential worker.

A logistics thing? A treatment thing? An income thing? An economy thing? What about the people's health and lives?

Ok, but why aren't the driving public forced to refrain from driving other than for 'essential' transportation during large/widespread recalls? We all know why, so why isn't that why covid 19 was handled? We're still talking about every last individual's health and potential death vs their freedom, so..

Pemalite said:

If you have a competent government, they should get involved.

If you have a competent parent/guardian, they shouldn't always get involved and shouldn't coddle you until their death. When they do, you typically end up with wet noodles instead of sharp swords.

Now for those who are unhealthy and need to 'coddle' themselves or be 'coddled' in a situation like this, by all means, do so however you need to, just don't force everyone else to have to do the same.

Pemalite said:

I am free to go to the pub.
I am free to go to the sauna.
I am free to go to the gym.
I am free to go to work.

Why? I gave up some freedom for a few weeks, went into lockdown and only did the "essentials".

And now I have a ton of freedom, almost like the Virus doesn't exist. (Because it doesn't here.)

What you are saying is good in theory... But it hasn't worked. The United States has failed. It's the laughing stock of the world in how not to handle a pandemic.

Did you need to give up that freedom? Did it have to be for that long? Did you potentially contract it and infect someone else anyway? Would you have infected someone else or contracted it if you had kept those freedoms? If that choice was yours and you happily made it, then that's on you. If you were forced to do it, then you didn't choose it and weren't free to either.

Pemalite said:

It was advertised in News Papers, Social Media, Radio, Television, Bill-boards and more.
It was everywhere.

If there is a major problem, the manufacturers of said vehicles have an obligation to get in touch and inform their customers of their rights and obligations in handling the "warranty issue". - Australia has some of the best warranty processes in the world.

Every life matters, this isn't even up for debate, I am a first responder... Anyone who downplays even a single life lost is not a decent individual in my eyes.

So why weren't people informed about covid 19 and then allowed to make their own decisions based on that information? If people can still choose to drive and potentially get killed anyway, or kill others, why didn't the same apply for the illness?

Even worse, if you drive your recalled vehicle and unintentionally kill someone you're almost certainly going to pay for it dearly, and yet if you broke the lock down rules and unintentionally infected someone with covid 19, eventually killing them, you're likely to get off scot free. 

So being a first responder, I'd think you'd agree that when there are potential deadly vehicle recalls, that only 'essential' transportation should be allowed, correct? So people who's work wasn't deemed essential wouldn't be able to drive to their job for the good of everyone.

Pemalite said:

False. We have a representational democracy. - We elect officials to make the difficult choices on our behalf, using the most up to date, informed and accurate pieces of information backed by science and evidence that fits in with the legislative frameworks that have already been established.

The United States economy has already been impacted... And due to the rapid spread of COVID in the United States will mean that the economic impact will be a prolonged one, longer than ours.
We won, we beat the virus, the USA is still fumbling over it all, we were right in our approach, the USA was blatantly wrong.

When it comes to Pandemics, people need to be cohesive in their resolve, otherwise nothing will work.
Australia and New Zealand collectively and cohesively went into lockdown early, defeated the virus and returned to economic activity... The USA however, didn't. People went out and demanded "freedom", protested and more. - The virus continues to run rampant killing hundreds of thousands of people...

The United States has done nothing to keep anyone safe and healthy. It's response has been a disgusting joke.. And the issue there starts at the very top.

One person with the virus being selfish and ignorant could infect 100 other people in a day by not conforming to social distancing, hygiene and sanitation and staying home... And those people go on to infect more people.

It's selfish people that are the spreaders of disease, it's the American government not placing appropriate education, signage, alerts and policy that has failed to direct and lead the country that are a big problem.

Elect real leadership, start winning.

And we don't need to "predict the future". - When it comes to things like wild fires, pandemics, hurricanes and more... We have "all hazards approach" to planning which is a framework on how we prevent, prepare, respond and recover from any large incident such as COVID.
I probably have a little more understanding on this kind of thing than most considering I have done a diploma in emergency management.

Fauci wasn't chosen by the people. Is that representational democracy?

Fauci told the public they shouldn't and didn't need to wear masks at first. Was that up to date info backed by science?

How many people are said to have beaten cancer, only for it to recur? Could covid 19 end up like the Spanish Flu? That was said to be quite possible by the MSM and their reputable sources who 'advertised' it everywhere.

The US did nothing? I wonder why the MSM was so mad about the shut down and the people who could no longer enter the country? Not to mention the financial help to businesses who shut down (worldwide) operations to hinder the spread.

One selfish driver could injure/kill 100 people in a pile up, yet we let drivers decide themselves without forcing them.

Start winning? Very nice jab. Very nice.

How do we know wild fires, hurricanes, etc, could, or are going to happen, and where they may happen or spread? Prediction? How do citizens choose their leaders who will make the decisions? Prediction?

Pemalite said:

The countries who have done the right thing are the ones who have defeated the virus. (New Zealand.)

The countries who have done the wrong thing are the ones who are still fumbling and dealing with the virus. (United States.)

Couldn't be anymore black and white than that... Unless you are trying to assert that the United States has been successful?

Again, to say the illness has been beaten is at the very least being unreasonably optimistic. How long before borders are opened and the spread continues?

The numbers as they are may show that, questionable or not, and that's only looking at the here and now, but could places like the US be doing better at saving more lives in other non covid related ways? Every last life matters no matter how it's being saved I'd think.

The world isn't black and white. That should be extremely clear as of recent events. Depends on what you deem successful. When the MSM narrative is USA bad, period, is it even possible that they've done anything good at all?