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padib said:
Chazore said:

I've been seeing that for years on here though, not just Chartz, but Twitter, IGN and other forums too. It's always PS is the quality system, the best games, "true innovation", while every other system has "poor" games, low meta scores, tons of junk and nothing outstanding. Like for real, the inane focus on Sony's SSD vs everything else, just makes that camp vs all camps point more so as reality, and it wouldn't if there was no fanboy focus put upon it (like we could just drop the SSD topics on this site entirely, if it wasn't so camp driven, because half the ppl on this site cannot even hold an argument against CGI/Pem, who actually have knowledge and know what's going on).

Also, check OP, he's hardly for anything else but Sony, holds them on the highest pedestal known to man, and suddenly with this game, all personal review scores need to be tied down and "controlled"?, nah, that's camp mentality right there. 

Perhaps in that case, we should just let Pem and CGI have a discussion on vgchartz and everyone should sit and listen in with fluttering eyes. But the purpose of a forum is for everyone to share their opinions, and nobody is always right. They're not God, after all. To promote that mentality goes against the community spirit of the forum, where everyone has a chance to join the discussion even if they are not experts. And we don't know who is an expert in what truly, since Pem has been open about the fact that he's not a professional in hardware, but is a firefighter, and CGI is open about being a professional computer artist. In the end, neither career nor hobby can determine who is an expert. All we see is what we post, and that's all that matters here anyways. CGI & Pem deserve much more than that everyone just listen to them in wonder. They are excellent moderators and make great posts, it doesn't mean everyone should just bow down to them and shut up either. Rather, I'm pretty sure they enjoy the challenge, though I can't read their minds. 

Regarding campy behavior and the SSD, you need to understand that corporations are not guilt-free of promoting campy behavior. Sony promoted the PS5 as the FUTURE OF GAMING after all, and does everything for the gamer, right? Well, don't Microsoft and Nintendo also make games for the gamer, and seek to push gaming to the next level in their own individual ways? So how is that not campy? Also, the focus on the SSD was Sony's work, it was the only advantage their design had over the XsX. So if everyone is talking about it, it's because Sony made a 1 hour presentation explaining it, and let's admit that the advantage of the I/O was not obvious at first viewing, even to Pem [post 1][reply]. 

I'll now get back to the OP after having expressed myself on that part of your post. The OP, like you said, is not actually describing the situation properly at all. I just spent the past 2 hours going over user reviews and reviewing the reactions on TLOU2, and many reviews are by TLOU fans and it's undeniable. To show that all review-bombing was of the nature of "TLOU2 suckss loll!" is biased. If anyone needs proof, they just need to read the user reviews here (BEWARE OF SPOILERS):

https://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/the-last-of-us-part-ii/user-reviews

I will put the next section in a spoiler tag to explain why I think the negative reviews are legitimate.

Spoiler!

The Last of Us Part II looks like a game that can't be described with "Beautiful". To be perfectly honest the graphics are mind-blowing. The expressions, the environments, the subtleties of the dialogue of the bits I've seen, the horse-riding and scenery is fantastic. The game has the pedigree of a AAA game, and perhaps a touch above. What happened that ruined the experience for some users is the disrespect the game had for Joel, a beloved character for those who played the first game, as well as a link with other media of shaming white male leads while pushing feminist agendas, and pushing progressive views into the game with forcing transexuality into a character in a world where that wouldn't make much sense. The game also suffers from this pacing disease that hit The Rise of Skywalker, where we're being pushed around into our media to face so many things that we are struggling to ask ourselves if things still make sense. Though I did not play the first game, I can understand their anger, as I felt when Han Solo was uselessly killed in SW E7. To give you an example of a review that was clearly made by a fan of the series, a guy who gave Death Stranding a full 10. He also gave Garfield Kart a 10, hah but I won't judge his tastes. I will just quote his review on TLOU2 because it's what matters most to the thread:

"The Last of Us 2 is a true testament to how not to make a sequel for a game. While gameplay received better animations and such, it mostly remained the exact same and becomes monotonous and predictable over the 25+ hour story. While it’s not bad, you'd hope for a much bigger upgrade or overhaul of crafting and other gameplay mechanics, but many remained completely untouched. But the gameplay isn’t what causes this game to be a failure in my opinion, because that’s not what people really play TLOU for anyways. People play for the characters and story, which is nothing short of disappointing and misguided in this game. The utter lack of respect toward previous or even new characters prevents the player from getting invested in them, and the game fails to utilize the one relationship the player was already invested in going into the game. Instead they demolish that relationship, and never really show it getting back to anything of what it used to be. Most other characters in this game are stagnant and replaceable, and while they have good performances, fail to make me care about them in a meaningful way. That is, until they get brutally murdered on a quest for revenge. By the end of the game I was so numb to violence nothing shocked me anymore, and I’m not sure what the game was even trying to say through all this violence and misery. What I do know is that I feel devastated for Ellie and deep hatred for another character. I truly hope Naughty Dog lets this franchise die in the pit they dug for it. I absolutely loved the first game, but this train wreck wants me to feel depressed for nothing. Some of the lessons it tries to teach seem so stupidly simple I asked myself if I was even hearing it right. All I can hear now is the ringing in my ears after listening to one of my favorite games get pillaged and massacred in the name of “Subverted Expectations”. Do not recommend. "

The reason it may seem that the factions band against the Sony gang is because, in the past, they often put themselves and their console on a pedestal like you said, a bit like you just did with CGI and Pemalite right now ironically. This superiority complex formed over the years due to Sony's prior success over Nintendo the Nintendo 64, but their success is not eternal and people realized that with the PS3 and Vita. Now that most Sony fans have put water into their wine, most of them in my view have become much more friendly and I personally have enjoyed talking with many of them.

But what I believe will unite gamers is our love of gaming, and this latest case of the progressive movement forcing their views into games we love is something we can all rally around. I am not saying let's boycott LTOU2, that would be a pity because the game is beautiful. Rather, I suggest that people wake up to what is happening, read about it, listen to angry fans expressing their frustration at what greedy corporations are doing with franchises they grew up loving, and to understand the deeper issue here. And it goes beyond the companies making the content, "journalists" have also sided with this agenda and will call incels or idiots anyone who voices their disapproval of it. Also, the opposite happened with JOKER, where the critics gave it horrible scores because it didn't fit the narrative they want to push. That's politics, not art! But the people knew better, they loved it and they gave it a proper score. As you can see, it is creeping into games. Almost all the main journalists have given TLOU2 a 100 score, despite the core of the discontentment explained in the spoiler tag.

Then, if we don't like campy behavior, let's congregate on a few things:

  • Our love for games: graphics, gameplay, story, dialogue, performance
  • Our interest in technology: let's talk specs, why not? It has a direct impact on graphics
  • Our curiousity in business: it's vgchartz after all
  • Our desire for honest journalism
  • Our desire to have conversations and discussions which enrich our lives, either by knowledge-sharing or humor.

The only way to fight campy behavior is by getting real about all this, giving each other the benefit of the doubt, being responsible in how we talk to each other respectfully and being respectful of each others tastes even if they don't always match ours. And being respectful of each other's level of knowledge as well. To tie everything together, not everyone is an expert, and forums of course will have people of all levels of knowledge and intelligence, which is perfectly normal. The most important is that we appreciate each other as gamers irrespective of whatever might divide us.

That's why what happened to this game matters, because it takes us away from our game into something it's not meant to be. I just hope that we'll all learn to identify when that happens and push companies towards higher integrity.

"But what I believe will unite gamers is our love of gaming, and this latest case of the progressive movement forcing their views into games we love is something we can all rally around." 

I fucking hope all of VGC isn't going to band together to be reactionary gamer bros. 



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